I think it would have beenbetter if....
Mark and Phoenix switched roles..
Mark is better at action and Phoenix is better at the family, sentimental stuff..
I did love the movie though. [:
The character arc suits Joaquin. It's the more challenging role.
I don't think Mark has the range. His was a much smaller role. I think he did a fine job.
"a malcontent who knows how to spell"
i disagree, i do believe wahlberg has the range.
i mean look at invincible and shooter.
sentimental then bada$$.
and i think he did great at both roles.
I liked him in those roles, too. He's better than most casting directors think.
I just don't think he's the emotional powerhouse that Joaquin Phoenix is. Hardly anyone is.
"a malcontent who knows how to spell"
I agree with irish, Gray wisely gave Phoenix the harder, more central role, he is the better actor and can give much depth and history to a part without needing it written out for him. Look at their previous effort, The Yards, Wahlberg was the main character but Phoenix again had the more complex, interesting part and he made the most of it--actually, I think it was more interesting and complex because of how Phoenix played it, and that's perhaps what few other actors can accomplish. I think Wahlberg does fine within limit, but in both his collaborations with Phoenix, the better actor has been made obvious, and he, I think it's safe to assume, does more with a harder part than Wahlberg would have done.
But, without going into whose better and which role is meatier, the fact that Wahlberg is playing the straight-laced brother and Phoenix is the tough guy black sheep was a nice reversal from what we're used to seeing them. And that I also enjoyed.
"Why would a banana grab another banana? Those are the kinds of questions I don't want to answer."
i respect your opinion irish.
it disappoints me that phoenix retired :/
he was a great actor.
he'll be back, or he will die of a drug overdose...we'll have to wait and see
shareThere are more possibilities than those. How about: He focuses on music and acts occasionally. Or...he is a great success in the music biz.
A drug overdose is not inevitable, especially if he, quite probably, is not on drugs to begin with.
"a malcontent who knows how to spell"
"especially if he, quite probably, is not on drugs to begin with."
first...you are an idiot or clueless on the subject if you think he is not on drugs. Have you seen this guy in public in the last year? In case you haven't, go to this link and see what he looks like and laugh hysterically at what he is doing and tell me he is not on drugs.
http://www.tmz.com/2008/12/01/m-c-joaquin-phoenix-butchers-rap-music/
Second... his music blows and he is a far superior actor. That is why he will be back after he TRIES music. Just like Jordan tried baseball and came back to bball, he wasn't good enough to make it at Baseball. There is a seemingly endless amount of artists as well who have tried different types of art only to return to where the were most effective. He will die broke and starved if he tries to live off of music.
edwartj, if odd looks and odd behavior mean that someone is on drugs perhaps we ought to start the OD-watch on Johnny Depp and Jim Carrey as well. As for his music, that rap was an intentional joke, why do you think his brother-in-law Casey Affleck was laughing and filming him? If you think that is his music, then you aren't informed to make an opinion on whether his music "blows" or not. His music career will be in writing music, which he's been doing for some time now with Tim Burgess, or perhaps directing music, which he's also done. And he is, by the way, a Grammy-winning musician who has never so much as received a DUI--perhaps the last person in Hollywood without a drug-related arrest. So, easy. To decree someone is using drugs by simply looking at them is preposterous to the point of blunt stupidity. He's been "rumored"--by the most unreliable of sources--of drug use in the past, when in actuality it was very obvious to anyone with the sense to not frequent gossip sites, that he was taking the piss out, and the rumor died out when nothing factual ever came out to support it. I don't know if he's on drugs, but I sure know that how he's been behaving isn't proof of anything other than he knows how to make fun of Hollywood (who's never gotten the joke), and anyone who thinks he is ought to look up what "proof" actually means.
Besides, if Joaquin was only interested in fame and money, he would have taken all the cheap, over-paid roles that he's been offered. Hint: there've been a lot. It's been documented that his personal life suffers when he becomes other people in his work, James Gray says he goes through a looking glass, loved ones walked out of his life when he was filming The Yards, so maybe he's done with that for a while. No drug addict has been so consistent in the dedication and quality of their work or been so universally admired from all the people who work with him.
"Why would a banana grab another banana? Those are the kinds of questions I don't want to answer."
Bemore... I'm so tired of arguing with these airheaded a-holes.
When did people become so vicious? It's the anonymity of the net, I guess. They take pleasure in not only assuming the worst, but declaring it as fact.
He made a career change. Can't they leave it at that?
"a malcontent who knows how to spell"
I know, I don't so mind if people want to discuss these things, but it's the declaration of baseless rumor as fact that gets tiring in addressing. And if people just want to pick on a celebrity, Joaquin's far from an easy target, I mean he hasn't even been seen publicly in about a year before the Paul Newman event, he really keeps quiet and keeps to himself, he'd be the last person whose REAL personal business would show up on gossip sites.
"Why would a banana grab another banana? Those are the kinds of questions I don't want to answer."
yeah that must me bit, he's just SUPER smart and is playing a big joke on everyone and making fun of hollywood. Except... no one is laughing because it isn't funny. That must be it though you are right. You obviously are the president of the Joaquiin Phoenix fan club and are too bias to tell what is going on and that's fine. "if odd looks and odd behavior mean that someone is on drugs perhaps we ought to start the OD-watch on Johnny Depp and Jim Carrey as well." If odd behavoir doesn't tip someone off about a person being into drugs what would? That's how people get concerned about their friends and family. They see someone they know acting "oddly" and they get concerned that it may be because of drugs. You are honestly retarded if you don't think that someone acting oddly could be a sign that they are into drugs.
I never said that "all he cared about is money" or anything of that nature so you are clearly trailing off in another direction. All I am saying is that YES!!! he is definitely on drugs (you seem to be the only one who doesn't realize that) and that his music isn't any good. My PREDICTION is that he will either die from drugs or come back to acting.
Also, how can you be so adament that he is not on drugs when you consider his screwed up childhood. Is flipping brother died from a DRUG OVERDOSE right in front of him outside the Viper room when Joaquin was 19 years old!!! Do you really think Joaquin doesn't do drugs but just parties with a bunch of people who do? He never did drugs with his brother? He probably just read the bible in the viper room right?
do you hear a gnat? wish I had a fly swatter.
"a malcontent who knows how to spell"
Yeah, that last post cleared up a lot about what kind of poster they are, anyone who takes him seriously deserves to believe that that without proof is fact--I hope there are some dictionaries under Christmas trees this year--I mean whoever uses "retarded" as an insult has clearly got a lot on the ball. I think we're done here.
"Why would a banana grab another banana? Those are the kinds of questions I don't want to answer."
If this was a different board, people would agree with me. It just happens to be that I ended up on his fan club board apparently.
sharehttp://www.joblo.com/joaquin-raps-wtf
shareAgain, I'm not the only one... this is from wwtdd.com
The emails I got were way more interesting when I thought they said Joaquin Phoenix Raping, but what it said was Joaquin Phoenix Rapping, as is him turning that *beep* out on the mic at a club in Vegas Friday night. People seem surprised that Joaquin is now an incoherent drug ravaged mess. Um, it's Joaquin Phoenix. What did you think, he was gonna be CEO of Time Warner now. He’s a drug addict, from a family of drug addicts, of course he’s all *beep* up on drugs. And he's never gonna stop until he reaches that low point, and by that I mean, he notices the steep drop in the pussy he's been getting.
Follow the link to see the "sober" Joaquin Phoenix in rare form....idiots
http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=17621
sorry...this one makes my point for me much better...idiots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F_Ikksg40U