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Japanese mistakes at Pearl Harbor and Midway?


A few questions:

1. Why did the Japanese pull out of Pearl Harbor so early? If they had stayed and continued attacking, they would have been able to sink the US carriers returning to Honolulu too. Then they would have had an even bigger start in the war. Why didn't they keep attacking longer?

2. Why didn't the Japanese immediately attack the ship building facilities in San Diego immediately after Pearl Harbor, when the US fleet was at its weakest and most vulnerable? Then it could have damaged US war production facilities greatly.

3. Why did the Japanese make so many stupid mistakes in the Battle of Midway, which resulted in them losing 3 carriers at once? If they had won that instead, would they have been able to win WWII?


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Even American war historians openly admit that PURE LUCK and BAD LUCK plays a large role in any military conflict.

The Japanese culture thrived on its samurai bushido fighting culture, but paradoxically, like any authoritarian and later, totalitarian society, fear of intiative and fear of making mistakes overshadows iniative, gut instinct, and risk taking, the opposite of the British SAS, "Who Dares, Wins". Penalty for making errors and mistakes was harsh in Japan, including severe loss of face, shame, shame to one's family name, loss of stature among one's peers, and the strong cultural demand to commit suicide to atone for one's misdeeds and failings. Now that doesn't mean the Japanese love to commit suicide. Like any other human they'd prefer not to. So during World War II, Japanese top brass could often display a fatal, 'lack of nerve' at the wrong moment. During Pearl Harbor, the second wave of Japanese attacking planes started to suffer losses as American sailors started firing back from the ships and even from the shore. Worse, the carriers were not there and the Japanese attack force admiral had no idea where they were. Rather than risk his success, the admiral decided to retreat, basically turning the fight into a hit-and-run affair.

Midway was pure bad luck for the Japanese, not to mention the Americans had secretly broken their message code and were prepared. The bad luck for the Japanese was that the American attack became uncoordinated. The torpedo planes arrived first which drew down the Japanese top cover. At the cost of sacrificing all but one torpedo plane, a tragic loss, the American dive bombers were left unmolested to make their accurate dives upon the Japanese carriers. The loss of four Japanese fleet carriers for the loss of one American fleet carrier was seen at the time as a huge tactical victoy and morale-building boost for the U.S. military and American people. Only late in the war was Midway realized by both sides as a major strategic victory and a catastrophic loss to the Japanese from which they were unable to recover. Midway was the naval Stalingrad in mid-1942 just as the naval battle of the Coral Sea was the equivalent of the battle for Moscow in early 1941. The unstoppable Japanese naval advance was stymied at Coral Sea, then finally turned back at Midway. The Japanese surface fleet was still formidable, however, and even continued to inflict a bloody nose upon the Americans and British as at Savo Island in late 1942, into 1943. But the writing was on the wall. Starting in mid-1944, the Japanese navy began collapsing and the long retreat to the Japan home islands began.

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A bit late, but here goes:

1. Why did the Japanese pull out of Pearl Harbor so early? . . . Why didn't they keep attacking longer?

They were running out of time and fuel. The commander of the Japanese force, Admiral Nagumo, didn't even think they could hang around for a third wave to attack. Their mission as to destroy the US battlefleet and tney did it.

2. Why didn't the Japanese immediately attack the ship building facilities in San Diego

Their ships didn't have the range to do it. Hawaii was about as far away from their bases as they could strike.

3. Why did the Japanese make so many stupid mistakes in the Battle of Midway

A lot of that was bad luck and a skillful American foe. Having their codes broken was one of those things. Others were the result of bad habits and doctrines, particularly in communications security.

If they had won that instead, would they have been able to win WWII?

Not a chance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II#N aval_ships

Note the number for carriers alone. The US built 163 carriers of all sizes, the Japanese sixteen. The Allies built over six hundred thousand military aircraft with the US building more than three hundred thousand of them. All the Axis powers combined built about two hunded thousand of which the Japanese only built 76 thousand.

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Great and correct answers all around..

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If they had won that instead, would they have been able to win WWII?

Not a chance.


Yup. The Japanese lost WWII on December 7th, 1941.

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One question of my own - what do Pearl Harbor and Midway have to do with this film? (Apart from being in the same war, of course.)

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even if they won midway the defeat was inevitable but would have just been delayed.

They had the same problems the germans had which was their foe had massively superior production capabilities as well as a superior recruitment system for personel.

It seems the japanese had made next to no plans for replacing losses whilst the americans had a full production system in place for both personel and machinery. Same as was with the soviets against germany who lost for the same reasons they could not replace losses.

In affect modern warfare can still be seen as a war of attrition but a different type of attrition. You can amass a large amount of firepower to start a war but if you not able to adequatly supply that firepower throughout as well as replace losses then you will lose unless of course your enemy has the same problem.

This is ignoring the fact the americans had nukes which makes it even more certian a defeat was inevitable.

Remembering tho that the victors of war write the history books, I dont think the japanese were as stupid as historians have made out in terms of tactical decisions and what not tho.

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