loved it!


I just saw this film, and I've gotta say....wow. In every way, wow. I don't subscribe to the view that every film of Miike's is a work of genius art, but this one is amazing. It's so similar to one of Eisenstein's movies; rife with philosophy, the psychological rhetoric (my japanese teacher translated some things for me, and I had to guess the rest with my basic knowledge of japanese), and long drawn out shots. Like the reviewer says, the visuals are captivating, and Miike's infamous "wtf?!" plot elements really add an unsettling and mysterious atmosphere. Whether a lot of it is simply "art for art's sake", or is meant to convey a deep psychological meaning, I do not know. Whatever, I really enjoyed this film.

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Agree! This has to be Miike's best work since Gozu. Whenever he directs a Nakamura script the result is incredible and this is no exception. A masterpiece.

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The big bang question would be...
Were you drunk? or were you stoned?

Please tell me, what's that great about this THING?
This movie is a waste of useful film reel...

Maybe I'm just saying that because I didn't understand what that thing wanted to say, or maybe because it's incomprehensible, or maybe because it actually doesn't make any sense!

Maybe I WILL be able to understand it in 4.6 billion years?!


What does the "Big Bang Love" or "4.6 Billion Years of Love" title have to do with the actual film?
What are the characters doing? Where Are they? Juvenile hall? Adults prison?
Why did the tattoos on Kazuki come on and off?
Why is Ariyoshi so effeminate?
Is this movie about homosexuals?
What's with the butterfly? (I know that butterflies in Japanese culture represent the soul)
What happened to Ariyoshi in the end?
How in any way, was this movie so magical? What did I miss?
Again, What does the title have to do with the movie?



I'm sorry if I sounded like a jerk and offended you, I seriously didn't mean to, I'm just so confused by the whole thing that I couldn't believe that people actually find it "genius"!
Because that'd mean either that I'm stupid (with an IQ of 156) or I've missed a key elements in the movie, or everyone else that actually liked it has a better imagination than I do (and I'm a writer!)

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Those are impossible questions.

"Be it a rock or a grain of sand, in water they sink as the same." Lee Woo-jin (Oldboy)

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FaWzY-86, glad to see someone with some sense.

The fact the tattoos were inconsistent made the movie entirely laughable.

A Pyramid as high as the heavens, right next to a prison.
A space shuttle, right next to a prison.
This was pretty "LOL"

I hope this is the last "art" film I ever see; if this is how all of them are, I feel bad for people that can trick themselves into finding them enjoyable.

Nonsensical, pointless,slow, no purpose. It's everything a movie shouldn't be.

I guess people like it....because it looks good?
Which it doesn't, so that would also be weird. Lots of really bad filters, looks like he was messing around with some entry level barbaric tools, like windows movie maker.

Like you said, drunk or stoned, that's the only thing one can take from the movie; a boring, interesting trip.

The movie could've been wrapped up in a 20 minute short film.
Nothing at all happened. The editing was so terrible, 70 percent of the movie was repeating itself, but in a "who-dun-it!" order, instead of just start to end. Hope he never makes a detective/thriller movie.

Any one who gets a sense of genius out of something impossible to follow lives in fairy-tale land; I don't think it's genius stepping outside of your prison cell and asking if you'd rather go to heaven or to space (or whatever they asked), which is what the whole movie revolved around (besides "eternal" love, a concept that's been done to death in j-movies. Which, btw, the shuttle and pyramid were in walking distance, didn't even see a fence!

Yeah...the kind of love where you kill yourself for them...truly beautiful, original, and inspiring. I've only seen this in every J and K-movie.
Wait, they were homosexual...Miike, you're a genius! You changed the cliche!

Miike has not made a good movie in so long, I'm starting to question whether he's made one period; I was just a kid when I got my jollies to the gore-fest that is Ichi the Killer, and every movie I've seen after (about 10 so far) are completely hysterical how bad they are, in literally every sense. Even then, Ichi can only be appreciated because of the wise choice in actors (lol I bet Asano never worked with Miike after that movie? He's too smart)and the incredibly hilarious violence.

Visually, always mediocre quality filming. Might as well bust out my VHS player.
Story, written by someone with a huge imagination, with no sense of reality, therefor completely unbearable to follow , as a human being that doesn't play make-believe.

His Like a Dragon movie was almost as pointless as this, but it had a story to it, even if it was a pretty weak one. His "artsy" style even managed to ruin something as cool as gangsters.

Terribly childish movies, poor slap-stick gore humor, weak "humorous" jokes but with adult content; he sure does have an interesting take on directing by making movies that only a toddler could enjoy, but with the gore and sex that only an adult should see.

About to watch Scars of The Sun. I hear it's melodramatic. He can't make good action, comedy, or shock movies, so maybe inducing-tears is his calling. I'll find out soon.

I'm writing him off as a director, and as a human, if this movie fails.
I can no longer take his social-awkwardness seriously anymore, and am ashamed I ever gave in to this "cult" director at one point in life.

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As a person with no imagination and too much sense of reality you should stick to infotainment.

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I think most people who enjoyed it will have their own answers to those questions (or feel that there's no need to answer them), but for all it's worth, here are mine...

What does the "Big Bang Love" or "4.6 Billion Years of Love" title have to do with the actual film?
Our solar system is supposed to have come into existence about 4.6 billion years ago, so that's a clear reference to that. And "Big Bang Love" would be a clear reference to the Big Bang that is supposed to have been the beginning of the universe.
In other words, the title is telling us that we're talking about a love that has a totally "timeless" setting and giving us the freedom to explore the other "astronomical connotations" like how does man fit into the universe (and any others you can come up with).

What are the characters doing? Where Are they? Juvenile hall? Adults prison?
It doesn't matter! The title itself is telling us that all this is beside the point. The story (if you can call it that) is not set in a concrete time or place. If you start trying to place it then naturally you *will* get frustrated and conclude that nothing makes sense.
The idea is more to create an atmosphere than anything that is explainable "as a story". The important thing is that wherever they are, they're trapped. There's the rocket, the ancient building which will lead to heaven and death - that's three escape routes of which two are dreams rather than realities. They're also trapped into doing things that don't really matter (remember when they're "doing the laundry" in the rain? One of them says it's stupid because after the rain stops they'll have to do it all over again anyway, but they're told they have to do it because they need a regular routine).

Why did the tattoos on Kazuki come on and off?
The tattoos seem to have something to do with masculinity. The first time we're exposed to them is very early on when the boy is told he has to go through the ritual of manhood (only that then the tattoos are on the strange dancer). Ariyoshi seems to project the tattoos onto Kazuki. I think they disappear mainly around the times when Ariyoshi sees Kazuki as a little boy (that's the other projection he seems to make).
There's actually a scene between Kazuki and Ariyoshi (the one in which Ariyoshi holds him) when Ariyoshi says that maybe he's wrong and he doesn't want to be Kazuki after all - he says this right when he starts to see Kazuki as a little boy.

Why is Ariyoshi so effeminate?
Because Ariyoshi has "not gone through the ritual of manhood", he's still a boy. He wants to become a man (whatever that means - he doesn't really know himself I think), but doesn't seem to be able to get there. That's why he says he wants to be Kazuki - to him Kazuki is the man he wants to become.
But then of course there's the question of whether Kazuki really has become a man - every so often Ariyoshi sees him as a little boy and doubts the whole thing. It's like the film is asking what being a man means and if our idea of masculinity really is that.

Is this movie about homosexuals?
I don't think the answer to this one matters.
Clearly, there's a lot of questions about what masculinity is and homosexuality fits into that. Certainly the film is homoerotic. Are the characters gay? It just doesn't matter IMO. You can interpret it as you want I think.

What's with the butterfly?
The butterfly had me baffled as well. I'll probably need to watch it again to get it. But I think it mainly appeared when Ariyoshi was realizing something about Kazuki or his relationship with him.

What happened to Ariyoshi in the end?
I'm not sure how to understand "in the end" ;) But it was my understanding that Ariyoshi was in love with Kazuki. I'm not sure how sexual or not it was or even to what extent it was reciprocated, but I think it's clear he wanted a very intense sort of emotional closeness and understanding with Kazuki. The scene in which they ask each other about where they want to go - heaven or outer space is key here.
Ariyoshi was very distraught because I think he believed he had failed to achieve that closeness. There were three escape routes (heaven, outer space and death), but he had only asked about two. He had failed to consider Kazuki's chosen one might be death.
You could interpret that love is the key and point of human existence (which brings us back to the title of the film) and that Ariyoshi felt that by failing to give Kazuki the emotional understanding he needed he might have killed him (he tells the inspectors that if it wasn't him then it was the rainbow). But also at the same time, I think he was jealous that he had not been told Kazuki wanted to escape via death. He wanted to help Kazuki escape in a romantic sort of way (heaven or outer space), but if Kazuki's chosen way of escape was death he would have done that for him also. And so, after he failed, he tried to put it right. Perhaps also he felt so guilty that he had failed to understand Kazuki that he wanted to be punished for it.
There's a lot of strange things going on there and I think one could invent a lot of interpretations :] One can come up with a quite a lot from Kazuki's point of view also.

How in any way, was this movie so magical? What did I miss?
I think some of us really enjoyed the fact that this film was so timeless and placeless and almost plotless. One could concentrate on the feeling coming through (and if someone felt so inclined - on trying to interpret it) instead of on the plot.
I think that for somebody for whom a film is nothing more than a story that will grab your interest this would have been a huge waste of time. But with a different attitude, trust me, it is very enjoyable ;) Also, personally (I'm a girl) I find the two main actors very sexy in this film, so I guess that helps too ;)

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I honestly didn't enjoy this movie much either. I love Miike, he's a FANTASTIC director, but some of his films just don't do a whole lot for me.

~Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and you weep alone.~

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I was going to close with this but I moved it to my opening since that's trendy lately. Everyone should be able to take something away from what I've said here. Whether you hated the movie, you'll understand more about it. If you liked it, you might've liked it for different reasons than I did and if you're reading this you might be looking for more insight or just other people's opinions like I do when I watch interesting films. Either way:

I was in full enough agreement with rozoweskarpetki until the effeminity. I think he just was gay or maybe not sexual at all, thas is a possibility but he did work in a gay bar so he was leaning towards homosexuality, that's why it's effeminite.

I think the movie is about homosexuals, definately. That's one of the points that makes in interesting in my opinion. I'll continue this in the "Magical" section.

Butterfly... Nooooo clue. Sorry, I'd have to rewatch it too and really focus on it. It seemed to show up in scenes where I was questioning Ariyoshi's sanity though, not sure if parts of the movie were his head/imagination or straight-forward reality.

In the end, he was still in prison with no protection, probably got raped. That's not the real story here though.

Which brings us to magical... In this section I disagree on why I liked it but that's a personal choice and is begging for difference. I liked it because of the homosexuality, philosophy, religion in conjuction with philosophical ideas. The thoughts that homosexuality is wrong or impure when love can happen between anyone, with or without sex. Friend love vs. passionate love. Someone brought up space shuttles and pyramids next to a prison, I don't think they were meant to factually exist, just be an idea that exists outside of the walls. The hope to aspire to certain things, to reach the heavens in one aspect or another, is it even possible especially for people that commit murder and are locked up in both respects. Which exists, which certainly exists, what's the point behind either? Especially if you're unsure you believe in one... I agree with the movie, I'd like to reach heaven if it exists more than space but if it doesn't exist I'd certainly rather aspire to attain the near impossible from a rational standpoint.

A_crow_quilled_threnody said the kind of love where you kill yourself for another person... There were three suicides brought up but none were out of love for another person. They were all about sorrow for past mistakes and actions. In the wife of the warden's case they were done to her, in the other cases they were done by them... I don't know where you got this idea from but obviously you can't even figure out what's going on blatently so it makes sense why you don't understand the subtext.

It's human nature to aspire to things greater than ourselves but even greater than the two that were clearly brought up (Faith and greatness) is love. Love within heaven is my understanding of why people want to be there. Love in rational is greater than being in space. Most of the things people do on this world is to try and be loved for one reason or another. A lot of why people do what they do is to get a mate.

I didn't love this movie but I like the ideas it raises. Things people should ponder especially if they brush them off and have certain ideas planted too firmly in their heads like gay sex is wrong or heaven certainly exists so I would choose it. Aside from that, a mystery unfolded during it that had me questioning what was real or not, I found that side of the story good as well but it raises subtle thoughts also. Things we think/see/feel aren't neccessarily what others do. Facts and confessions can be lies in the end.

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Well maybe the trouble is that you're a writer. Literature logic and movie logic are different.

I see you wish to understand the movie. Understanding is not that important in visual art. Not only contemporary visual art. Do you "understand" Mona Lisa? What's there to "understand"?

Admittedly, there is narrative in this film, but all the questions concerning it were answered in a very obvious and deliberate way. Even the 4.6 billion years concept. There is a monologue at the very beginning about speed of light and time. I don't like that element of the movie much, but it's fitted neatly into the overall structure, it doesn't stand out.

Also, I don't like the pyramid and the rocket at all because they're too overt symbols of faith and science. Moreover the mentioning of that dychotomy didn't add to the movie much. But what I do like is how Miike told us what the rocket is for. Remember the shot of satellite over the Earth? You can see a hurricane over Japan down there. The rocket carries a weather satellite. It's not relevant, but it's neatly done. Without any faked dialogue infodumps that most movies live by.

And what's so magical? Remember the beginning? It starts with a stylized scene of a monologue that looks like it came straight from a Wong Kar Wai movie. After that we have a scene that looks like a high budget documentary. Immediately after that we have a dance scene, almost a music video. Then we're back to theater style scenes. Also later on there are some scenes filmed with a handheld camera, very cinema-verite in style. And it all fits perfectly. There isn't a single jarring transition up to the moment the rocket and the pyramid appear. The reason is that Miike is an insanely skillful director and he can pull off almost anything. There are lots of movies with straight plot and bunch of simple dialogues that seem far more disjointed than this one. See Queen of the Damned for example, if you don't believe me.

Regarding the butterfly, gimme a break. You really expect a movie to explain something like that? Maybe like Rob Zombie did for Halloween 2 remake? Putting a quote from a dictionary to explain what the white horse symbolizes. LOL
BTW what's the meaning of Mona Lisa's smile? :)

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I enjoyed the movie also, not my fav of Miikes work, but definatly a movie worth checking out. Glad i bought it the other day

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Loved the movie. I can't really understand the people who say it's boring, it's a fairly short movie and quite a lot happens. Yes, a lot of it is on a mental level, but still, the murder case it all revolves around should create some interest for most viewers.

And the visuals are stunning, and really beautiful. Somebody mentioned bad filters and Windows Movie Maker. I have yet to direct a movie, and have little technical insight, but I know what is beautiful and not, and this movie most certainly was. I think people who thinks it looks bad are to used to a certain formula being used visually, a code for how pictures should look. Or it might just be a question of taste.

And yes, there was a fence. A guy tried to climb it and got electrocuted anime-style, and it also became the end for the butterfly.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

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