Just curious if anyone knows why they would use AK-47s giving off a loud distinct sound as opposed to silenced weapons? I know the Koreans might be using AK-47s but wouldn't a silenced weapon be better for infiltration?
shareMy guess what the fact that they could easily get Ammunition from other soldiers
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In order to silence a firearm u will need also subsonic ammo... And the 7.62 X 39 is supersonic.
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Yes they can't be completely silenced but you can reduce the noise. Thats always good.
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Mate who cares? An Ak 47 ,or my favorite m16, or any smg. But i expected the USA army to use m16. Well an ak-47 is ideal for it is affordable by any country in the world, and you can get its ammo easily.
sharewho cares it's a crap movie...
sharenavy seals dont use ak-47. cuz ak 47's are cheap, loud, and innacurate for some long distance shots. they haave a big vaariety of weapons and the ak-47 is not one of them. i gueess they messed up in that paart of the movie.
shareok im not a navy seal but as far as i know it makes sense for them to carry it the ak is a much better weapon then the m16 and much deadlier then an mp5 and as far as i know its better then an m4 for a bunch of reasons if you actually care ill make another post
sharei love how mydogisloco is basing his 'facts' on counter-strike...what an idiot. to settle the question NO the marines would NOT be using ak 47's for an infiltration job. kthxbye
shareNo. but the AK is more reliable than an M16 or carbine and more powerful than an MP5. Maybe some missions that involve blending with the population (in a warzone, that is) or long time infiltrations may require an AK, or it may be more adequate, and just use a handgun with a silencer if you need to keep things quiet. I don't know, just a guess. Of course this was a terrible, almost low budget movie.
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"Blending in" is the key. Just look at Iraq, special forces operating in urban areas use AK-47s. The insurgents or any other enemy for that matter will hear the distinct "pop-pop-pop" noise, but will be unable to tell who's shooting.
As for ammo scavenging, well, it's far down on the list...
I would have thought they'd have used M4a1's, if not only because I adore that weapon :P
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I would have to disagree... The AK-47 isn't accurate over a distance of 300 yards, also its bolt is very heavy and is asymmetrical, so the rifle is difficult to control in full auto. The barrel actually flexes up down left and right when being fired. The M16 and the M4 have a symmetrical bolt and its inline with the stock, making it a much more stable weapons system. It is very true that AK-47s are much more able to be fouled with external debris and such and be able to fire. But I'd rather have an M16 rather than a AK-47.
shareHowever the Russian counterpart of the M-16 was not the AK-47 but AK-74. Most regular army units with Russian equipment would be using the AK-74, I'd imagine.
shareAlso the AK affords more political deniability if they get seen or they have to ditch the weapons. If it's an M4 or other obviously American weapon, the Koreans would have a hissy-fit.
shareBecause this is the dumbest movie ever???
shareThey used Ak47's becuase if they were captured/killed, then the Koreans would have no proof that they were Americans, hence the scene where they had to leave all thier belongings behind.
Pretty simple really
yeah sirk is headed in the right direction. The standard weapon for SEALs is the m4 but when they infiltrate into enemy territory they will use the enemies weapons so as not to call themselves to attention. If the enemy hears a short burst of AK fire they may just think its some of their own people firing in the area but if they hear an m4 or any other 5.56 round they are going to know there are enemies in the area. Also when the enemy force you are dealing with uses AKs primarily the ammo is readily available unlike the 5.56.
As for the m16/m4 not being a great weapon id have to disagree with that as well. It may lack the put down power of a heavier round like the AK but it can reach out and touch somebody. And put that in the hands of the SEALs who HAVE to qualify expert just to move on to the next part of training (they have to qualify expert with pistols as well)and its just as deadly as any other rifle.
And as for the silencer debate earlier. Silencers do not completely silence the bullet. The silencer is simply used to "disguise" the bullets sound as something else. To lessen the noise of the round "popping" out of the barrel. Just because its not a sub sonic load does not mean it cant have a silencer I mean they do have silenced sniper rifles, silenced m4s and 9mm has a silencer as well. None of those are subsonic loads but the silence lessens the noise. Again silencers do not completely silence the bullet.
Actually, the silencer have nothing to do with the sound of the bullet, it's there to suppress the muzzleblast (both sound and flash).
And yes, you can mount a silencer on your weapon and fire a supersonic round and whoever you're shooting at will still hear the crack of the bullet as it passes them at supersonic speeds. On the other hand, you'll actually gain accuracy because the weight of the silencer makes the barrel less prone to rise when you fire and it's also a hell of a lot better for your ears.
BTW, both the 9mm and 5.56mm (.223 Rem) should never have been adapted as NATO standard, they're simply too weak and lack of penetrating power (a 5.56 round may as well overpenetrate (go straight thru) if it don't deform or fragment as it depend on doing to be lethal. Can't wait for the 6.8x43mm SPC to replace the 5.56 as it has terminal ballistics that come close to the 7.62 (.308 Win).
The 5.7mm is the prime candidate to replace the 9mm, it's quiet out of the box and is even quieter with a silencer.
(a) Let me start out by saying that this thread has too many dorks whose only 'firearms knowledge' comes from video games.
(b) Yes, they would use an AK-47 weapon over an M4 because they are a small infiltration unit and need to use indigenous weapons. The posters who argue which is better - M16 or AK - are idiots because it is not germane to this film. The Posters who mentioned that a covert ops team could use indigenous firearms which (a) sound just like the enemy's (b) use the same magazines and (c) use the same ammunition, were correct. These characters are NAVY SEALS (not Marines like some people have mentioned). They are NAVAL personnel, which should be obvious since they have ranks like Ensign, Master Chief Petty Officer, 2nd Class Petty officer, etc. The SEALS utilize non-standard weapons all the time. They did that a lot in Vietnam, using AK47s as well as Carl Gustavs, French MAT-49s, etc. It masks their American origins by using indigenous weapons (as per the sound they make and the spent brass they leave).
(c) Your Point about using suppressed weapons (as in the movie NAVY SEALS) is valid. However some missions don't require that you have all suppressed weapons. It is still reasonable for them to have non-suppressed weapons. After all, the mission was FUBARed remember? Though most Ops members carry all their firearms, specialty missions sometimes sends a payload SEPARATELY with one of the team members. If that team member or payload stayed on the plane, then the remaining SEALS must use what they had on them.
(d) It's all a pretty moot point anyway. The Film was shot in Bulgaria so the movie armorers used what they had in Bulgaria. AKs are common, since the Bulgarian weapons firm "Arsenal" now builds all manners of AKs for sale around the world. Also the MP5 that Lt. James used in the film was actually a Soviet PPS-43 mocked up with Airsoft MP5 parts.
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And another thing, if the operation had gone as planned, is that the North Koreans wouldn't find any spent 5.56 cartridges on the ground, linking the operation to the USA or South Korea.
share1) Because apparently the North Koreans use it, so they have abundant ammo.
2) Their mission is somewhat survival-based, and the AK-47 is the best weapon to use for survival due to its ability to withstand harsh conditions.
3) As the others said, if the North Koreans find spend 5.56 cartridges in the area, then it's obvious that they were attacked by a foreign country such as Korea or USA.