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i'm overwhealmingly CONFUSED


okay, so yesterday, i come across this new bathory project (bathory 2007 II)that julie delpy will be starring in along with (dear God, i hope so- Ethan Hawke)And im very confused because a few months ago, i heard that julie was directing a bathory film for which there is a seperate page that involves a hungarian director aswell...ive been trying to keep up to date with this original board for about a month now, and then this comes out and i'm terribly confused beacause now it seems that there are two different projects.... Does anyone know anything?

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yeah... i'm so with you! I think that it has been verified that Ethan and Julie are in this new film. Julie has written the script and it is available online. Julie is also starring in the lead because there is an online picture of her in costume.
I think what happend is that the original Bathory 2007 was for Ethan and Julie's project. But then somebody else found out there was another Hungarian Bathory and added that info to it... making it very confusing. So it looks like someone is trying to separate the two projects by creating this new Bathory 2007... and this one is for the Julie and Ethan's version.

"Sometimes to go forward you have to drive in reverse." Sherman Alexie

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Do you have a link to that picture or the script? I'd LOVE to see it :)

When life gives you lemons you make lemonade...Then you find someone who's life gave them vodka.

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Delpy canceled this project after realising Bathory directed by Slovak director Juraj Jakubisko is going to be an international blockbuster.


"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"

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Oh yeah--right. I don't think so.

"Sometimes to go forward you have to drive in reverse." Sherman Alexie

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I found that a little after, but thank you so much! :)

When life gives you lemons you make lemonade...Then you find someone who's life gave them vodka.

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You can think wathever you like, but this is a fact. I have the information right from the source.
But if you don't believe - some facts: they are not filming. And it surely won't be released in 2007. Maybe they will give a chance to it after couple of years but right now it would be two similar products released on the same market at the same time. Nobody is going to put money in it and risk a failure.
And Jakubisko Slovakia is filming since december 2005.


"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"

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It is pretending to be true but it is far away from the truth. It is absolutely factually incorect, the love between Elisabeth and young Thurzo is a fiction but the biggest nonsense is bathing in blood...
I could continue if you want...


"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"

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Oh, where did you get that info?
I'm sorry but no, it is not true.
There is no evidence of bathing in blood. In fact it is a myth created 200 years after her death.
She was judged for torturing and killing, no witness mentioned blood bathing...

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No witness mentions bloodbath cause there is no witness...
There is instead a journal written by Bathory where she wrote all about the bathings and torture...

Believe me or not, but I should know, Im obbsessed by the Bathory case....

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The journal is a myth, also. It doesn't exist. I'm sorry for taking you your illusions.

There were witnesses. If you are so obsessed then you must know that at least 4 persons acted as a witness: Jan Ujvary – Ficko, Ilona Jo, Dorota Szentes and Kata Branecka. Also palatin Thurzo said he saw the torture.

She was not judged for bathing in blood but for murders and torturing.
Bathing in blood is a nonsense. Blood coagulates too soon. It is impossible.
Next if she would really killed more than 600 girls (some say virgins) she would exterminate the population around Trencin for many years. How many citizens do you think Cachtice had those times? And what was the percent of girls between 13 and 33 ready to be killed in few years?

But if you want a real fact, bathing in blood is a legend created by one monk more than 200 years after her death.

Believe me or not, but I should know, I live 30 kilometers from her castle.

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No, it doesn't mean anything special. Just like if somebody is "obsessed" and has read Countess Dracula...

Go to the library but don't believe all you read... Try to think about it a little bit.
And if I can recommned you something try to avoid books about "draculas", vampires and bathing in blood from american authors.

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pfffft, what do i care if it did or did not happen. i wanna see a hot chick hacking up other hot chicks and bathing erotically in their virgin blood! why? cuzz i'm a sick evil f*<k! it's the american waaaaay! besides if blood coagulates too quickly, and can't be bathed in, let em make the movie, and let em make a Myth Busters epsiode about it. maybe I can see that Kerrie girl take a blood bath! yeah! point being, i wanna see a movie about the myth, not the truth, because the truth is never as good as the stories.

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1970 - Countess Dracula (Peter Sasdy) (with Ingrid Pitt)
1971 - Les Levres rouges / Daughters of Darkness (Harry Kummel)
1973 - Ceremonia sangrienta / Blood Castle(Jorge Grau)
1973 - Les Avaleuses / Female Vampire (Jesus Franco)
1974 - Contes Immoraux / Immoral Tales (Walerian Borowczyk)
1980 - Krvavá pani / The Blody Lady (Viktor Kubal)
1980 - El Retorno del Hombre-Lobo / Night of the Werewolf (Jacinto Molina)
1988 - The Mysterious Death of Nina Chereau (Dennis Berry)
2000 - Bathory (Brian Topping)
2004 - Tomb of the Werewolf (Fred Olen Ray)
2004 - Eternal (Wilhelm Liebenberg, Federico Sanchez)
2006 - Stay Alive (William Brent Bell)

Enough?

According to your tase I reccomend you Les Avaleuses and Contes Immoraux. I think you will be satisfied...

But I believe the new Jakubisko Bathory (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469640/) will also satisfy your needs. There will be a scene with a naked chick lying in a bath full of blood.

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i am a witness too. i live in your head and watch you munch crisps all day long while you are watching tweenies in your underwear.

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"f*<k! it's the american waaaaay!"

what's so american about it?

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Live 30 Km from her castle or read the wikipedia article. Missed the part where she allegedly killed at all the properties held by her family who were one of the main noble groups at the time, so the possibility of 600 isn't completely far fetched as she pretty much had all of Hungary to choose from.

Just keeping people honest.

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I think Julie Delpy is a good actress, she seems like a nice person. But the script she wrote couldn't be farther from the truth. I only read the first page, but that was enough (http://www.opus1.com/musefilm/scripts/Bathory081301.htm).

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Movies arent always about the truth the blood bathing may be a myth but it provides intresting story line and enforces the opinion on how sadistic this woman was. if it upsets you dont watch the F*king thing i dont care

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Why would it upset me? It simply makes more sense to me to make it historically correct.

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Hi Everyone. I'll cut right to the chase, I agree with wizkid79!!. She is an OK actress but doing this just to get a small raise of fame?? pathetic. Did she really think that she could go up against a Director who was born in the same country and who know the precise leagendy of Elizabeth Bathory?? She should leave it to the experts. Oh and I also think that Anna Friel was the WRONG choice to play Elizabeth. Although she is pretty, Elizabeth was considered beautiful and Anna is not. I think Famke Janssen would of been a better choice. She has a sexy, devious look about her. Plus she is European anyway so she would of fitted the profile better.

But I will definately see the film anyway and judge for myself. You never know, Anna could turn out to be really good..... but it's doubtful.

Night everyone

- dji_007

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At least seven Elizabeth Bathory projects are more or less alive in five countries. It is a terribly interesting and complicated subject. Angelina Jolie has been considered to be the only actress able to fulfill the hopes for a compelling Elizabeth. The best Bathory script (according to a high ranking executive of Twentieth Century Fox ) was the "Elizabeth Bathory in Love". A five country coproduction (Hungary, Canada, Austria, Turkey, Slovakia) was organized but it was stopped in 2004 by the Hungarian Motion Picture Foundation because they didn't like the director attached. The same year Julie Delpy told to Népszabadság daily that she is going to shoot her version immediately. Nothing happened. Jakubisko's shooting was announced for last year. Once again nothing happened. As an interested person I would appreciate any competent information on the subject.
PMB

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"Jakubisko's shooting was announced for last year. Once again nothing happened."

WRONG! Jakubisko's film is finished and waiting for premiere. First screening will be in a month and the official premiere in Slovakia will be in September 2007.

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10 Minutes of selective footage of Jakubisko´s BATHORY was shown at American Film Market in November 2006. The film is in final stages of post production in London and Prague. Theatrical releases in Czech and Slovakia are planned for September 2007. Also theatrical release for Russia and CIS in fall 2007 and Hungary 2007. More to see at Berlin Film Market 2007.

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Interesting news..

I don't really care, all this thing with Erzsébet Báthory was a fake trial, so that her son-in-laws could get her property.
Then later this legend was made up.
There was never a fair trial, the king also objected to the whole case.

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there were 13 key eye witnesses, but hundreds of witnesses altogether, with forms of communication being what they were back then a conspiracy of that size would be nigh impossible.

and as for fake trial, she was never brought to trial due to her property, power, and nobility, though she was confined to a room in her house.

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She was brought to trail, she had a court date and everything, but she chose not to attend. She was being formally accused of vampirism, witchcraft, and murder. They only chose to punish her for the noble deaths that she committed, regarding the servants there wasn't anything they could do becuase she was a countess and they were only serfs so she could do whatever she wanted to them. In that time it was illegal to to try or convict someone of noble birth.

She was confined in her tower and died four years later. She supposedly kept a diary of all these murders reportedly 650, however the diary wasn't used in court, her accomplices testified in court and they're punishment for being involoved, getting their finger nails torn out and then burned alive at the stake. The diary was found by a monk years later in the attic of one of her estates and is supposedly in Budapest or something.

Oh and the tales go that she never uttered a word of remorse for her crimes, but there is also the conspiracy theory, that goes somthing like, The Hapsburg crown owed the Bathory's alot of money that was to be repaid that year, but with Erzsebet's trial, the debt was all of a sudden wiped clean with how Erzsebet had dishonored the Bathory's. Also another one saying she was brought to trail to avoid a far worse trail for treason, she had relations with a second cousin, who was involved with the German Emperor, if the treason trial would have taken place all of her properies and values would have been confiscated. With the way things played out, her uncle-in-law and her son supposedly split the inheiritance.

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650 people? Do even serial killers get numbers that high? She killed at least 1 person a day for 2 years?

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invierno

Finally someone here with actual knowledge of history and and a functioning brain! Yay!!
It was for political reasons, she was more wealthy and influential than the King of Hungary and was in the way, easy as that.

It's so ridiculous that in the XXIth century when feminism is literally everywhere and there is the perfect option to make a movie about a woman's struggles with life and power in a men's world they make it out to be about women's vanity and obsession with beauty at the end. Wow, we've really come far.

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You meant "would have" or "would've." There is no such thing as "would of." Please write this down on a sticky note and stick it to your computer monitor. Also, please tell everyone you know. Thanks!

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Thanks for posting this, i was confused about that too. :]

-Mr. Todd's Apprentice
Future SVU detective

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Dark Angel, I heard similar things when I was researching her. She was never formally tried for any crimes; the trials she chose not to attend were those of her "accomplices". Despite her absence and lack of a trial, she was convicted on 80 counts.

I heard that her religious choices, and the debt owed to the Bathory, all played a part. Also, there's some small evidence suggesting she was epileptic, and in those days seizures were seen as possession by evil spirits. It is believed she was bisexual (I've seen no hard evidence of this, only heresay), and homosexuality was seen as corrupt and evil back then. She stood up for various women in poverty and various widows, which wouldn't earn her any respect.

Is it likely she beat a servant that misbehaved? Certainly. Is it likely she bathed in blood, chewed on faces and performed witchcraft? Not so much.

People also forget the judicial system back then involved torturing witnesses before asking them any questions, as it was believed the poor and common were inherent liars, through no fault but birth, so had to be beaten to extract the truth.

Also, at the onset of the trial there had supposedly been three deaths. Roughly halfway it climbed to 50, and one woman (only one!) claimed Bathory kept a diary with all her victims names in it, totalling 650 victims.

There are other inconsistencies as well -- claims her lover was a forest witch with grotesque features, which seems unusual given she was supposedly obsessed with looks. Overall, I do strongly believe it was all a conspiracy, and that the legend grew and became more and more exaggerated as time drew on. It also doesn't help that somewhere she's meant to be related to the infamous Vlad Tepes.



Unfortunately, it wouldn't make for a very interesting movie. When people think of Bathory they think of the gruesome serial killer, not a woman who was outspoken and far more intelligent than most others of her time (she knew four languages! Four! In a time when even /men/, who recieved /better/ educations were highly illiterate -- even within her own upper class!), and also reportedly a very doting mother (again, odd given she supposedly mutilated hundreds of young women, even a twelve year old girl in one instance).

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Well, let's see:

Elizabeth Bathory (anglicized name) was a Protestant in a sea of Catholics.

King Matthias was a family member of the Habsburgs (and Holy Roman Emperor) entrusted to deal with the Protestant rebels in Hungary. To be honest, he was much more tolerant of the Protestants than his hard-line Catholic brother Archduke Maximilian and the Habsburgs (and Ferdinand II).

A more relevant fact is the huge debt that Matthias was 'forgiven' by the incarceration of Elizabeth.

As far as the witnesses' accounts against Elizabeth, one need only to remember the techniques used to extract confessions from peasants (and the peasants' extreme fear of authorities) and the general superstitious nature of humans (stigmata, weeping and bleeding statues, chupacabras, yeti, Bigfoot, etc., etc.).

If God is real, how truthful is humanity (or how deceived)?

If God isn't real, how truthful is humanity (or how deceived)?

Either way, the message is clear: truth is never as close as it appears to be.


Ask your doctor if thinking is right for you

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And what about "Die Blutgräfin" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1391141 please?

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The movie seems to be in development...

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