I just checked the votes on this film [http://imdb.com/rg/title-tease/rating-stars/title/tt0496325/ratings]. There are only 16 up to now, but one thing is clear: Boys don't like this film. From the under 18 age group up to the oldies, men have consitently voted +/- 5, women around 8-9.
Why is that?
Too much "relationship" stuff involved?
*scratches head*
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The movie uses too many "bad" clichés too strong and too confused. Germany doesn't need movies like that at the moment, because the different cultures show too much intolerance for each other and movies like this make it stronger. I think, men are more intolerant than women, so they don't like this movie.
shareYours would be a "political" argument (political correctness and all, which we could discuss as well). But I don't believe that men have a clearer view of political implications of a film. That is why I speculated on a more "sociological" reason for men to dislike this film. But we will probably never get a true picture of this unless a few men step forward here ;-). My comment on the political argument follows in a separate post.
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The movie uses too many "bad" clichés too strong and too confused. Germany doesn't need movies like that at the moment,True, the Turkish family had it all: Traditionalists (the father), Modernists (the mother), Religious types (older brother and wife), fully integrated (policeman brother) and the confused young woman. But the Germans were cliché as well. I mean, if I had a mother like that I'd probably throw myself behind a train ;-). And the son is super tolerant as well to the point that he becomes a muslim without giving it much thought.
Most german Germans have no idea about the lives of turkish (or other nationalities) Germans.
That's absolutely correct - and that is the main problem in Germany! This movie is based on all the bad clichés those people have about the turkish people. With this movie nothing happens in their brain to change this picture. They think, ALL turkish people are like this family, although thousands of modern turkish families don't act that way anymore. It's the second generation here in Germany and so many young foreigners, who were born here, break with the old traditions of the first generation. They live the German lifestyle, because it's normal for them. For them there's no war of cultures, like it is shown in the movie! But all the Germans, who have no idea about this, think: Oh, what a big integration problem (like the mass media and this movie wanna tell us these days)!
Hi, Jay, sorry for letting you wait for an answer (but sometimes life happens :-) ).
I don't think that showing a few clichés will do the turkish immigrants in Germany a disservice. A disservice to them would be to ignore them, like in the past. They simply are not part of the TV programme, of literature (with very few exceptions), etc. They are even not part of political concepts for schools (or we wouldn't have such a high proportion of pupils that are marginally integrated, because no one ever cared to teach them proper German, or give them educational support). If the only way we become aware of our minorities is when something goes wrong (Rütli School in Berlin), then there is something very wrong.
You have to start *somewhere*. And I think that a comedy isn't a bad idea. Of course there are clichés. But as I said, they are not worse than those about the Germans. And you cannot make a comedy without taking some clichés - and if you're good you will take them apart in the process. Like Aylin's father, who in the end admits that he's been well aware of the whereabouts of his daughter and his gay son (so he's not as traditional and ignorant as common prejudice would have it).
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Bump (to show the thread to another poster).
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