Howdy, again! :)
A member of His Majesty's 24th Reg't of Foot? That's awesome!! You're really lucky, and I bet you're having the time of your life! I've been doing some reading about the 51st Foot (or Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry), which the regiment was in the Seven Years War, and secured a Battle Honor in Minden. I just think the light infantries were interesting and unique.
Biased? I wouldn't say that all. Perhaps, I'm the one that's biased. ;) However, your choices of people are deserved, and honestly, I do think George was an amazing man. I didn't list him as a favorite because I actually know very little about George's background, and so it would be wrong of me to list someone I don't have a grasp on. I do apperciate suppling that article about George. Some of the things I was aware of, such as George having fifteen children and his parenting abilities, as well as his devotion to his wife. I knew of his interest in science, but I was unaware that he was the first king to study it. I was also aware of his keen interest in agriculture but didn't know about the Richmon and Windsor estates. The rest of the information in the article is new to me, and so, thank you! For some reason, I cannot locate George's history, only his roles in the war. I guess I'm not looking in the right places.
As for Gage, Howe, Washington, and John Adams, I do like your picks but honestly I have to brush up more on Howe. I'm familier with Gage but I've only recently started reeduactiong myself, and so I'll have to take a harder look at Howe and read more in depth. ;)
Washington was an interesting man, one that seemed to be shrouded in mystery in some respects. If I'm wrong, plese correct me. ;) Still, I find it amusing that Americans have Washington on this high pedistal but what many don't realize is the continuous (as you know already) failures. With Washington, the one thing that I constantly run in with debates is technically he was not the US's first "President", right? Under the Articles of Confederation I believe Payton Randolf was the first guiding the US, but Washington was the first President under the Consitution.
John Adams wasn't brilliant. There simply isn't a word to describe all of his achievments, and so 'brilliant' can't hold a candle to a great leader. And I agree; I too think it was amazing (and bold) to represent the soldiers. I could only wonder; here we had an upstanding citizan, and one that was very involved with public affairs with the Continental Congress (and elsewhere, as you know), represent His Majesty's men. I always wondered what exactly went through John Adam's mind in the court room, where Tories and Patriots intermixed. Though Adams wrote about his representation in his journal, and assumed his role to be a great honor, I often wondered about the tension Adams had to have felt. Can you imagine?
UNFORTUNATELY, Jessica, I have to respectfully disagree with your choice as favorite, Samuel Adams. Here is the explanation I gave in response to one of your other posts on these borads:
Oh, you're most entitled to express your opinions, and in truth, I had half expected the response. I encounter it a lot, but I'm sure you're wondering why I chose the 'trouble maker' as a favorite. ;) I saw your explination, and unfortunately for me, I had to leave in haste but I'll try and offer my own reasoning for my choice since we all love debates. :) I hope you don't mind:
Most people do not realise how truly vile his actions were during the early days of the uprisings around Boston, as they have been swept under the rugs, so to speak, in whitewashed American history texts.
Let's unsweep some of those vile actions. ;)
Quite a few have expressed, and pointed fingers at Samuel Adams that I've talked too, so you're not alone by any means.
In public, Adams loved propaganda, he adored stirring people's minds with his speeches, both verbally and with newspapers. Adams was a hothead by all accounts, but then again, so was Henry. They say the two; it's hardpressed to determine which had the 'temper,' so to speak - Samuel Adams or Patrick Henry?
Certaintly, the most extream was Adams. To name a few, Adams used propaganda (again) to display the 'Massacre' in a more pronouced light, with the able assistance of Revere. Adams and Revere made the Massacre (as you know) more vile then it really was. If we jump two years earlier in sixty-eight, it was Adams's Circular Letter that provoked, and soon 4,000 British Regulars came to assist and stop the chaos in Boston's streets. It was because of the Circular Letter that Regulars arrived, and thus creating a further hotbed, which two years in time, led to the 'Massacre.' So, in respects, Adams was undoubtly responsible for the 'Massacre' when Americans stop turning a blind eye, and read in between the lines.
It was Samuel Adams, to quote, "If Governor Hutchinson will not send tea back to England, perhaps we can brew a pot of it especially for him!" While the Mohawks rowed out to the three ships, awaiting to dock, Adams also is quoted in saying, "No violence, or you'll hurt the cause!" Adams, and the handful, including Revere, were responsible hurling 342 cases of tea into Boston Harbor, and this Parliament lost a decent amount of currency.
Of course, Adam did many other acts in the public eye, but I'd like to move on to something else, if I may. ;) Now, many do not know of Adam's personal life. Why? Because Adams is a 'hard egg to crack.' While, I won't bore you with the details of his early childhood (unless you're interested), what is known about Samuel Adams is he became engrossed in politics, so much that some records point to that Adams house on Purchase Street nearly fell into ruins. He had no job or source of income (none that I'm aware of), except the minor wages Adams inquired as stamp collector, and in some regards, he didn't pay enough attention to his second wife and two children as much as Adams probably should have. When he was selected to the Continental Congress, John supplied his cousin with a horse, and Adams's friends assisted with a new wig, and clothes.
So, I've briefly touched base and stomped Samuel Adams into the ground but why do I respect him? Regardless of Adams unorthadox, and harsh measures, like all the 'Rebals,' if you ponder a bit about it, Adams did what he thought to be true and right within his mind. Whether it was his role with the Sons of Liberty, and their regular meetings held in the Green Dragon Tavern, or his countless personal failures, his personal opposition againt Hutchinson (and possibly responsible for the burning of his mansion), etc. Adams rash behavior in my opinion, is a lesson that if you strongly believe in a cause, sometimes a person has to follow their beliefs no matter the risks involved.
However, Samuel Adams had a different side to him as well, and many are unaware of it. Here's one letter that Adams wrote to his second wife, Elizabeth. I hope you find it as interesting as I did.
Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 1 AUGUST 1774 - AUGUST 1775
Samuel Adams to Elizabeth Adams
(First Continental Congress)
My dearest Betsy Philada June 28 1775
Yesterday I received Letters from some of our Friends at the Camp informing me of the Engagement between the American Troops and the Rebel Army, in Charles town. I cannot but be greatly rejoyced at the tryed Valor of our Countrymen, who by all Accounts behavd with an Intrepidity becoming those who fought for their Liberties against the mercenary Soldiers of a Tyrant. It is painful to me to reflect upon the Terror I must suppose you were under on hearing the Noise of War so near you. Favor me, my dear, with an Account of your Apprehensions at that time, under your own hand. I pray God to cover the heads of our Countrymen in every day of Battle, and ever to protect you from Injury in these distracted Times. The Death of our truly amiable and worthy Friend Dr Warren is greatly afflicting. The Language of Friendship is, how shall we resign him! But it is our Duty to submit to the Dispensations of Heaven, "Whose Ways are ever gracious, ever just." He fell in the glorious Struggle for the publick Liberty.
Mr Pitts and Dr. Church inform me that my dear Son has at length escapd from the Prison of Boston. I have inclosd a Letter to him, which I desire you would seal and deliver to him, or send it to him if he is not with you.
Remember me to my dear Hannah and Sister Polly and to all Friends. Let me know where good old Surry is.
Gage has made me respectable by naming me first among those who are to receive no favor from him.
I thoroughly despise him and his Proclamation. It is the Subject of Ridicule here, as you may see by the inclosd which I have taken from this days paper. I am in good health and Spirits. Pray my dear let me have your Letters more frequently--by every Opportunity. The Clock is now striking twelve. I therefore wish you a good Night. Yours most affectionately S Adams
Though Adams wasn't too happy with Gage (and rightfully so in some respects when Hancock and him were fleeing for their lives before the early battles of Lexington and Concord), I found it interesting that while Samuel Adams still has a negative profile, and shares his thoughts about Joseph Warren's death at Breed's Hill. (Adams's son, Samuel became a physican, and served under Warren, so the death was that much more personal. It's a shame that his son was killed in war... but now I'm going off track, and I apologize.) Not to mention, when I was reading, that Adams showed concern for his son's escape.
So, I'll just say, and I apologize for repeating, despite the multitude of faults Adams possesed, and his untimely decesions; Samuel Adams did what he did because he believe them to be the only course Adams saw fit to support the cause.
and his family out of their home in the middle of a freezing winter night, stripped them, poured hot tar over him (imagine the intense pain caused by those burns!), then tied them up, placed them in a shallow launch (boat), then sent them drifting into Boston Harbor!
This last bit intrigued me, mostly because I never read or heard of Adams performing such a stunt but surely, I won't dismiss it either. I would be curious to know if this was some type of a religious act by Adams. He did come from a strict, religious background, his father (Samuel) being a Deacon, and his mother (Mary) supremely religious. It just sounds like, from the little I've read, and knowing Adams fairly well, I could see him tarring, and sending his children away in a boat but for protection purposes, and possibly for a relgious factor too. I'm by no means positive if that was the case, I'm just making assummptions, trying to piece together this quote.
Sorry to be so long-winded. But I hope you see what an interesting phenomenon occurrs when you become personally involved in history as I do!!
Oh, I'm more at fault than you! I'm very long-winded, as you can see. I love history, and I'm grateful that you're taking the time to debate and help further educate me.
I also apologize for any spelling errors. I tried writing this before my comp froze. ;)
The letters were taken from the Continental Congress:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/continental/Much appericated, and I look foreward talking with you again.
Cheers!
Jessica
PS - What's your name? ;)
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