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Deception as a hook? (spoilers)


I'm kind of tired of these movies that parse out the extremely relevant details to string the viewers along and then shuck all of the deliberate ambiguity for the last act of the film since it's information that vital to the plot. In this movie we're led to believe that Eric might be a good kid who was messed up by pharmaceuticals and a strict religious upbringing. We see him caressing his girlfriend by the lake with a ribbon and then we see his mom react severely to the discovery of that ribbon. Outside of a two second flash of a case file that Russel Crowe is looking at (which I only picked up by pausing my DVD player) there's no indication that he might be guilty of other crimes. Then he meets Lori and wrestles with homicidal urges throughout the duration of their trip. We're asking if he's truly reformed (as determined by the juvenile facility) or if Detective Crowe is right and it's inevitable that he'll fall into a murderous relapse.

Then we officially learn when Lori is in the squad car that all along Eric has been under suspicion of other murders and his parents were really murdered due to the discovery of the evidence (the ribbon). This is where I feel intentionally deceived as a viewer. We did have Lori's hints of having seen him kissing that girl by the lake (the aforementioned case file actually indicated he'd gone quite a bit further than first base) but I have a hard time believing the obsessed detective wouldn't have once mentioned earlier that he knows Eric is guilty of more murders than he'd been convicted for.

I also don't understand why Eric had been able to destroy all the evidence with the missing girls, but hadn't even attempted to disguise his guilt in the case of his parents. Also, how did Crowe know the motivation for their execution and why wasn't this evidence a part of his trial if he did know this? It just seems convenient for the narrative that there was a much greater indicator that Eric was indeed a psychopath, but those details were suppressed for almost an hour and a half to heighten the ambiguity.

I will say that this narrative technique did make the movie more compelling than it would have been if it had unfolded in a strictly chronological fashion, but the lack of organic development made it less satisfying. It just seemed like a buffer for the viewers' interest rather than allowing a reliance on the strength of the plot and characters. While it appeared we were supposed to question Eric's capacity to change, the ending told us that he was damned all along. He'd resisted the urge to murder Lori but Russell Crowe still managed to see to it that he didn't walk away from his unanswered offenses.

I do wonder if the book was structured the same way and omitted as many expendable details (like what the ribbon was or what happened to the Detective's wife).




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It was actually clear in the film he had killed at least 1 girl. Lori was referring to the kiss he gave the girl and he kept saying "what girl?" and that there was no girl even though he remembered seeing Lori when he walked through the woods. He also knew she was a witness to him murdering the girl. And hat is also the last scene of the film: Lori witnessing him murder the girl and let her float into the water.
His parents had found out (not sure how but it had to do with the ribbon) about him killing the girl and he was afraid they would have him arrested. Being the psychopath that he actually was he made sure he had a lot of medicine in his system and it could be blamed on side effects. He was tried as a minor and got off when he was 18. I am not sure if he really was a psychopath. I have no idea whether he would only kill girls he was sexually interested in (and that was why he didn't kill Lori even though she almost indicated she wanted him to) because Lori spoiled the set up with Maria. He cried at the end of the film because he hadn't killed her. The cop believed him but he wanted him off the streets and wouldn't defend him. You might think he only cried because he was wrongfully accused but let's not forget he had also tried to save her when she was in the water and I doubt a real psychopath would do that. In my opinion he had bettered his life but he still had to pay for killing the other girl(s).

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>>While it appeared we were supposed to question Eric's capacity to change, the ending told us that he was damned all along.

It's a philosophical question, I suppose. Does the state of man matter even if incarcerated?

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A few things...Lori's motivation throughout was suicide through her own murder. She had seen him kill. She had an attempted suicide wound on her forearm/wrist. She offered her neck to him for strangulation in the motel. She wanted him to kill her. That was why he couldn't. IMO, he cried at the end of the film because he knew he was screwed for something he had not done. He tried to save her because he knew her death by drowning would be tied directly to him.

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He tried to save her because he cared. He was distraught at her death. It was not calculation, but genuine.

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A few things...Lori's motivation throughout was suicide through her own murder. She had seen him kill. She had an attempted suicide wound on her forearm/wrist. She offered her neck to him for strangulation in the motel. She wanted him to kill her. That was why he couldn't. IMO, he cried at the end of the film because he knew he was screwed for something he had not done. He tried to save her because he knew her death by drowning would be tied directly to him.

I don't completely agree with this. I don't think her motivation, per se, was suicide. She was a very troubled teen, a product of a broken home- her mom treats her more like a "buddy", her mom and her mom's boyfriend are into their own lives (except for mom's man's voueyrism)- kind of leaving her feel disconnected on the home front. Also- I think the wounds on her wrist were from "cutting"- not a suicide a attempt necessarily, but sometimes an act more associated with trying to relieve a perceived unbearable back-up of stress or unexpressed emotion. (the reason being that the physical pain actually acts an emotional outlet so to speak).

I think she got more obsessed with her perception of the great tide of emotion she imagines that motivated him in his killings- she wants to be loved so badly-and she gets it twisted in her mind- that him killing meant that he "obsessively" loved that person- but she wants to channel that tide of emotion into living love for her-and realized that couldn't happen.

I think he tried to save her because, too late- for the first time- unexpectedly- someone REALLY loved him- not his unattainable "fantasy" girl- but someone real- and it just didn't register with him until she threw herself in to the lake.

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