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Christian Take On Film

posted 15 years ago by worldofrondo
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As a christian, I am not fundamentalist by any means but full of conviction and happiness in my religion. And on the street you'd think I was a crazy hollywood fairing liberal commie atheist, but alas I'm not that selfish.

this movie was actually enjoyable. i don't care for all the symbolism & tweaking & twinig of the story-back story, but taken as a straight simple audience member, annoyed at first by all the evil christian cross takes, i still found it amusing, in the horror-zombie-trapped sense. and i enjoy when any villian has their limitations and is not all tripped out on dream master sort of powers.

having said that... i do take some umbrage, and it wasnt even in the film, it was comments made on the making of, not by the director but by an actor & producer i believe. one equated the christians in this film to the 9-11 evil doers and that no one believed themselves to be truly evil in killing everyone. well, i need to remind him, 1 of these is made up, the other is real. BIG DIFFERENCE.

the other mentioned that if we were all atheists, no one would go to war. actually, Stalin & Mao were atheists and though war wasnt their greatest achievement, genocide was. So of course an atheist wouldn't want to die for a cause, but slaughtering others is not above them. And quite efficient & brutal are those with no guilt. Statiscally, historically.

so, it is somewhat annoying, the two biggest belief systems that have caused genocide & death for their god and/or dictator, is not represented here, but the 1 religion that has no political power, no religious regimes, no communist regimes, & has shown itself to be a liberating force through out history (albeit with dark periods), is the one always utilized as the 'evil doers'.

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[–] Lightman42 15 years ago

I believe the irony in the end was the fact that demons really came to earth... I just wanted more demons. The end of the film should have been the start of the third act.

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[–] overninethousand 12 years ago

And you wanted more of what? The "demons" were not real.

[–] FirstBlood1982 15 years ago

"P.S. As someone once said and I quote, "christians believe that with god and prayer you can achieve great things: illness cured, job help, etc... all sorts of wonderful things. yet god never heals amputees; wonder why?"

Someone that apparently wasn't aware that Christians don't put faith in God primarily because of physical or financial concerns, and certainly aren't praying for money as an excuse to avoid a job. Our jobs are meant to serve a purpose that God has set in place for us.
Christians (and people of other faiths) look to God for spiritual guidance, and the hope of being reasonably happy and understanding just how blessed we are even when it may not seem like it, and are aware that an omniscient God knows better about what's best for us and the world around us than we do.
We do tend to come back to science to utilize those wonderful blessings it's given us like nuclear bombs and automatic weapons and other tools used to severely injur and kill mass amounts of people in one lump sum though, which secular people so often love to come up with excuses to raliationize blaming religion for. When someone does govern a nation through faith, they're much less likely to support things that much of the secular world has no problem with, like legalized child murder for example.

Anyways, I didn't really know the director was an atheist before watching the making of featurette, and I agree with the OP that comments made there are more bothersome to me as a Christian than anything in the film was.
I thought the ending was perfect and the film was pretty creepy and thought provoking.

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[–] lexesbenz 15 years ago

Make no mistake, religion WILL be the and of man, either religion dies or we do.

[–] mjconway1 15 years ago

"either religion dies or we do"

So, are you insinuating that non-believers be like the cultists in THE END OF THE LINE and go after religious people? According to this chart, you'll have your work cut out for you:

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

No matter where you stand, freedom of expression is a great thing. I hope we all still have it in 20 years.

I enjoyed END OF THE LINE, except for "some" of the behind the scenes' comments, which occasionally came off as placing all believers into a singular category of brainwashed fanatics. I felt a little offended. Are there religious quacks out there? Sure there are. But, in the future I would recommend not alienating a huge segment of your audience, the large group of fairly normal Christians who love horror, whether it has religious overtones or not! :>) I was okay with accepting the bad guys as a fictitious doomsday cult, since those have actually existed. The ending totally reminded me of BLESS THE CHILD.

[–] jpetersen1372 15 years ago

So genocide is okay, as long as you get your way? Your hypocrisy is quite thick here. What's funny (not funny ha-ha) is that you don't even realize it.

[–] nefastus 15 years ago

Actually man will kill himself off, religion has nothing to do with it.

Can't see that, then you just have blind hatred towards religion. Man is his own problem and always has been.

[–] Phroggy 14 years ago

Funny to think that Christians still say that they have a monopoly of everything decent comparedf to those icky atheist when it's obvious that their hidden desire is to slaughter them or convert them by force, just like they did before some pesky thing like civilisation put all these on a back burner… Since their religion (not faith, which is a personal matter) is dying, I guess we'll see more violent act like the ever-loving of an abortion doctor recently. Oh, yes : he was baaaad. Then killing everyone you deemed BAD is ah-okay ? Not very far from fundamentalist then.
And no, I'm not even an atheist…

[–] jpetersen1372 14 years ago

First, I don't know any Christians who desire to slaughter anyone, nor convert anyone by force. That's your own garbage propaganda.

Second, I don't know a single person, Christian, Republican, or otherwise, who condones the killing of this doctor. It was murder, pure an simple, and there is absolutely no excuse for murder. Sure, the media put on a show as if right-wingers were jumping to the murderer's defense. However, I live in one of the reddest states in the nation. Almost everyone I know is a devout, conservative Republican, and most of them are Christians. Not a SINGLE ONE of them believes that murder is even remotely defensible.

So, go ahead and live in your conspiracy-fantasy of a world where Christians want to murder everyone. The rest of us will live quite happily in the real one.

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[–] tosborn4 15 years ago

My hubby and I just seen this film last night and after reading this thread we watched the making of segment. We were more than willing to accept the movie as using a Christian type cult like the Jim Jones cult but after watching the making of it's very clear that they are using "bible thumping" Christians as the bad guys. I liked the movie very much but will never buy it or watch again based on the comments made in that making of segment. I was deeply offended and it's obvious that the makers of that film know nothing about Christianity except what they've conceived on their own. It's a real shame but not really surprising, I think we'll see more films like this in the future that will be widely accepted by non-christians. We already have seen quite a few in the past few years.

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[–] Noir-82 15 years ago

And others are deeply offended that Christians claim that their way is the only way.

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[–] catrina-sullivan 13 years ago

Wait... how does "No" belong at the beginning of this statement? You've exactly proved the post you were replying to, so there really wasn't much point in the "No".

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[–] BrainGremlin 13 years ago

Don't delude yourself. You're not worth getting personal about.

I think more of us are against religion as a whole, than just Christianity. Hence, anti-religion. Not anti-Christian. Or "anti christ", as you say, which is a bit different. It's an angle only you can see in. You see, we don't hate Jesus. We can't, because from our angle, he doesn't even exist. It's hard to despise the non-existent. We hate your religions, not the characterw in their mythology. In many cases, we also hate you. But never Jesus, and never the Lord thy God.

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[–] Dutch_Schaeffer 15 years ago

"so, it is somewhat annoying, the two biggest belief systems that have caused genocide & death for their god and/or dictator, is not represented here, but the 1 religion that has no political power, no religious regimes, no communist regimes, & has shown itself to be a liberating force through out history (albeit with dark periods), is the one always utilized as the 'evil doers'."

Umm I'm confused what belief system is that?

[–] t-s-derrick 14 years ago

who cares, this movie sucked

[–] vadimnew 14 years ago

Well you've made a few rather large blunders in your reasoning here.

One is you pre-suppose that one needs to believe in a god in order to feel guilt or empathy. Not the case.

The second is in the relevance of citing Stalin and Mao. These dictators did not commit genocide in the name of atheism. It was not atheism that motivated them to commit these acts. At the heart of what made these rulers commit such heinous acts was a fanatical adherence to dogmatism (which is also found in equal measure amongst destructive religious zealots of all stripes).

Lastly at the end you refer to atheism as a belief system... It isn't one. It's a lack of belief in god, gods, and the supernatural, that's all. There is no inherent set of beliefs that go along with atheism other than that...

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[–] vadimnew 14 years ago

Stop lying? Wow, good to see you've got an equal amount of arrogance to go along with your ignorance.

There is a great deal of evil committed in the bible, sanctioned and often perpetrated by Yahweh himself.

Rape, incest, genocide, slavery, murder for the pettiest of offenses... The list just goes on and on.

Stalin and Mao were disgusting tyrants that happened to be atheists. They did not perpetrate their atrocities because of their atheism or in the name of it... And millions have been slaughtered in the name of God through out history so you're warped idea that evil and criminal behavior stems from "lack of fear of being caught" fails.

Atheism is not Satanism. Satanism requires a belief in the super-natural. Atheism rejects all super-natural claims.

And lastly you act as though merely because something is written in the bible that in itself makes it more plausible, turns it into some kind of proof. Arguing a point as true simply because it's in the bible is as convincing as me offering proof of Hogwarts by quoting Harry Potter.

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[–] vadimnew 14 years ago

Let me guess, you're one of those Alex Jones listening, evolution denying, home schooled Christians that never investigate any further than what your pastor tells you. I'm guessing I got at least 2 out of 3 there.

If you want to actually back up your claims then please, take my points one by one and explain why they are "bull beep". Otherwise you've shown that you just don't have the ability nor the guts to even attempt a reasoned argument against them, and you failed before you even tried.

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[–] vadimnew 14 years ago

So that passes as an argument where you're from, huh?

You write half a dozen angry messages to multiple posters on this board, accusing them of being "slaves" and of being satanists of all things, and then you can't even back up you're bogus assertions in the slightest. I backed up everything I said with reasoned arguments and you're just coming back with nothing. Lame. You don't back up your arguments because YOU CAN'T.

Now please, tell me about how I'm full of bleep again why don't you?

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[–] vadimnew 14 years ago

Bull *beep* You won't respond because you know you don't have any reasonable argument to offer and you know if you tried YOU'D JUST SOUND MORE INSANE . Let's not forget that you were the pissy little spazz that responded to 6 total strangers and angrily accused them of being satanists and liars (totally what Jesus would have done, right?). I guess in some brainless circles the "because I said so" tactic has some weight but where I come from you back up your claims or you look like an idiot for not doing so. It's all fine and dandy if you don't even try, but don't think for a second that I or anyone else is going to believe that trite "boring waste of my time" excuse.