Anyone else find it disturbing..... - The Winner (2007) Discussion

[–] Cuser57 17 years ago

That's explained in the pilot if you watch on Sunday...

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[–] derek916 17 years ago

Is that you Chris Hansen? The only thing disturbing was you having to even go there.

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[–] Colbtron 17 years ago

The point is that emotionally (and perhaps intellectually) they're at the same age.

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[–] Zan-tastic 17 years ago

No, the point is that it's supposed to be FUNNY that a balding 30 something social pariah is friends with a 14 year old boy. And it's supposed to be FUNNY that both he and the little boy are hypochondriacs. And it's supposed to be FUNNY that one of the only reasons he's so close with this boy is so he can be close to his mom, the girl he's been neurotically obsessing about for 20 or so years. And it's supposed to be FUNNY that the boy's mother is the Queen of Cluelessness who doesn't see anything wrong with a full grown man hanging around her son all day.

SUPPOSED to be funny, but ISN'T. That's the bottom line here, all of that stuff isn't disturbing, it's supposed to be FUNNY. Apparently, that's supposed to be COMEDY. SUPPOSED to be, but ISN'T.

The only thing I find funny is how the execs at the Fox Network keep kissing Seth's a$$, thinking that whatever he touches turns to gold.

I said it before, I'll say it again: This'll show 'em.

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[–] Grimm-Grimm 17 years ago

I've seen that before. It sometimes happens when an older man is a bit nerdy and into what young kids are into. Like I have seen older men playing Dungeons and Dragons with younger kids in a comic book store.

"Fra-Gee-Lay...that must be Italian."

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[–] clow987 17 years ago

Now that's creepy!

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[–] megas-1 17 years ago

the guy has the mental age of a teenager, so why not be best friends with a teenager?

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[–] spica123 17 years ago

I'd love to know how this clod becomes the richest man in Buffalo. THAT is going to take some 'splainin, Lucy.

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[–] Zan-tastic 17 years ago

I find the whole episode disturbing.

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[–] vodianova 17 years ago

It is tres, tres disturbing. And wow, I didn't know those kids were quite so old? They were at the girls' house drinking beer and stuff.
God, Seth, you can do better than this.

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[–] ragenut2112 17 years ago

In the real world some high school kids drink.

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[–] ElksEyedea 17 years ago

I think it's a fun show. Who cares how he got rich? It's a tv show so why is it disturbing he's friends with a 14 year old kid? I find it more disturbing when I see Jack Bauer take a dump on the constitution and people think it's cool. To me that is 1000X's more disturbing as it's a drama and not a comedy.

Rob and the kid have good chemistry together. I can't even count how many times I almost wanted to change the channel (figuratively of course) out of embarrassment for the way they handle situations. I think it's awesome Seth was able to get the green light on this project, even though it's going to be canceled judging from the large amount of "yuk" reactions rather than it not being funny and creative. I really do hope it will garner a large enough following to let it run for a few years (this kind of show can't last more than that considering the subject matter).

All in all I find it to be a good show, not disturbing. BTW, someone said they were drinking beer at that girls party and to me it looked like punch and soda, then again I could be wrong since I was laughing at that time.

The best of Elk, ordinatelly rearrange; monoatomic elements with a deft intelligence.

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[–] ckutch619 17 years ago

i agree with racl_101.

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[–] Coopz_UK 17 years ago

Yeah I don't see what the fuss is about, disturbing it's not. Who got scared by Big eh?

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[–] big_guy20 17 years ago

I think it's disturbing an adult will tell a kid he's going to date his mom, etc.

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[–] theblacktyphoon 17 years ago

Wait a minute I do that. I keep telling this 9 year old kid I'm going to date his milf 38 year old mom, I'm 21. My best friend is also a kid he's my little bro.

That's Why I'm TheBlackTyphoon.

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[–] FullFrontalMessiah 17 years ago

if you honestly think that it's disturbing than you must not think a lot of things are funny

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[–] mnoe 17 years ago

I'll quote the Defamer site for you:

· Fox's The Winner debuts in third-place in the 18-49 demographic, but scores first with its target audience of 32-year-old men who might eventually wind up molesting their 14-year-old best friends.

(And in case the rest of you want to know how come we're so jaded and cynical and suspicious of motives, you can read the blurb yourself in Defamer's March 5 "trades" round-up, right below the item about Isaiah Washington getting an Image Award from the NAACP soon after leaving "rehab" for bigotry and costar-choking anger issues.)

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[–] Venom_Punk 17 years ago

That is pretty creepy. A 32 year old man hanging out with a 14 year old kid almost all day long.

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[–] Skywalka 17 years ago

Celine Dion maybe was a good point but Demi and Ashton - honestly, they are not farther apart age wise than 30% of all married couples in all western civilizations, only that it's always the man who's older.

Get over yourself.

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[–] Skywalka 17 years ago

*snicker*

So I guess you generally regard men around their 50s being mentally around 20, hmm?

Besides, how come you know so much about Demi and how old she is "mentally"? Or placing Ashton at 9 (?!). Pretty presumtuous.

Or wait, let me guess: you know them from their work on screen and from magazines. Great work Mr. Freud (or Mrs., whatever).

It's so absolutely shallow to deny a woman like Demi Moore something every third guy over 40 has. Calling it disturbing just shows the values we have in our societies. 20% women in leading (CEO) positions in corporate america (and europe). We simply accept the man to be dominant. If a woman is dominant (I guess that's what you imply by your statement, because lo and behold you could also assume that Demi and Ashton are equal partners in their relationship) you are scared.

The only reason why I would not accept these kinds of relationships is if one of the two involved is both ugly and loaded and the other is dumb and gorgeous. Both does not apply to Demi and additonally none of it applies to Ashton. She's loaded and hot and he's loaded and smart and hot.

Better talk about Zsa Zsa Gabor and her "Prince" Frederic. He's 20 years younger and she's demented. Oh wait - he's demented to. And german. *brrr*

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[–] Skywalka 17 years ago

Well maybe you should try using some smileys because "this is IMDb" and the amount of morons running around being perfectly serious about the BS they are spreading on the messageboards kind of prevents people from being sarcastic and taken seriously.

I've been called names several times while being perfectly honest and serious so expecting me to take your words as sarcasm is kind of far fetched for I am totally unable to see your face let alone read your bodylanguage to find out whether you are serious or not. Maybe throw in a smiley now and then, I guess that helps.

Besides - I don't think you really implicated that you just thought Ashton is a goon. Read your post again and take into account I read you posting as a serious comment and not a snarky remark.

Anyway, thanks for calling me professor, that's kind of nice compared to the usual insult you get for writing sentenced with a comma or two around here ;-)

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[–] anny12 17 years ago

I didn't realize there were age limits on friendships. One of my friends is in his 40's and im 27. Is that disturbing? He isn't doing ANYTHING besides being friends with a shy teenager. I find it disturbing that people assume he wants to molest the kid. Not everyone has sinister motives.

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[–] Skywalka 17 years ago

You should keep in mind how much people like to gossip. And of course that men and women cannot be friends. Ever. Because, to quote Chris Rock, for a men there's just two categories and one of them is "women they did not sleep with YET". That's the problem - a man's brain is too much wrapped around sexuality and even IF you, as a guy, consider somebody to be your friend, you always fight with yourself no matter how ugly the woman is - the only thing that varies is the amount of time you think about having sex with the woman. The uglier or the more complicated the situation, the shorter that amount of time is. Additionally, while I have female friends, for me a good relationship is with a person you are friends with, who is your friend and who understands you. And how many real friends does a person have at any given time? I guess the number of REAL friends can be counted with the fingers on one hand. So in case you really found somebody who is your friend it is really hard, especially for a men, to remind yourself how much more the friendship is worth than a short sexual realtionship followed by the woman not being in your life forever.

There are lots and lots of men who accept the future lonelyness to be able to get an undefined amount of sex of uncertain quality.

And the worst part is when you, as a guy, reached that state where you are really fine with the way things are, you are happy you have that good friend, and then out of the blue your friend suddenly wants to start a relationship with you. Or just have sex. And again, to quote Chris Rock (loosely) woman keep their male friends around as an emergency tool. "In case of emergency, break glass" if you know what I mean.

I had this happen to me a couple of times. Too often if you ask me. And it sucks every time you have to tell somebody that no, you would rather like to be friends. Totally sucks.

So again, remember that people might have less restraint than you or maybe are just generally jealous about other people who have a friendship they'd like to have, who are still looking themselves :-)

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[–] robot012 17 years ago

its cause hes a pedophile.

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