I know they're working on the legislation as we speak and I fully support it. These girls look up to these impossible standards and they don't even realize it! Even on this site, if you go to any actresse's page who's over a size 8 you have to wade through posts about how fat she is. It's sad when the average woman in America is that size.
And no airbrushing or computer body filtering either! I think that is the most dangerous thing!
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"setting the bar high" huh? Who says what's high? Years ago, plumper women were considered more desireable becasue no one had the money to eat healthy. So "perfect" as you put it is relative at least as to what is difficult to maintain. I like to think for myself. I guess just becasue of the way I grew up I didn't get those images that brainwash you guys into telling you what is beautiful so they can manufacture it and sell it.
Next I didn't say for every one ot be as fat as they can be, I said under a size 6. Or even better, under a healthy body fat percentage. What's wrong with that?
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So being super fat is sexy?
Some people are just small in general.
What about little people or small body frames?
I know people who are a size 0 and eat like horses.
Metabolism problems.
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If no one under a size 6 should be a model, then no one over a size 12 should be a model either.
Oh, but wait. That sounds discriminatory, doesn't it?
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I agree these girls are emaciated looking. Naturally skinny, huh?
Do you honestly think Kate Moss is naturally skinny or she is getting a little help in the cocaine department to up her metabolism. Are there some girls super skinny naturally? Yes. My sister/mom are like that tall and very thin but these girls are going beyond "just skinny" they are anorexic looking and most of them are using drugs, speed, purging, diuretics, extreme diets to look this way.
Do you think it is coincidence that two runway models died in the past few months as a result of being extremely thin and not eating.I am sure if you asked these models they would tell you they "ate like horses and they are naturally this way"
The modeling world should not be presenting this false ideal to young inpressionable teeneage girls as what they should look like. An ideal that MOST of these models cannot attain themselves without nearly killing themselves.
And not everyone who is for them passing this is fat as another poster implied(eye roll) I am tall 5"9 and size 6/8 and I think it is utterly ridiculous to have a women of my height weigh 80 lbs and say this is natural..
I just want to know if you mean a REAL size six, or the vanity size six, which is really more like a 10. And, no, sorry but no model should be thick. That's just the fashion industry and the way it works.
*There's a difference between women and girls, and it's not age*
I understand the reasons why they're wanting to take such serious action, but I think a legislation is taking it too far. A model is meant to be a human hanger, not a realistic body image to look up to. There are plenty of super skinny women out there that would never dream of starving themselves.
The Brazilian model who starved herself to death is not an isolated incident, but her death shouldn't be the reason that fashion changes- it's almost like censorship, in a way.
Why should everyone suffer because of the mistakes of a minority?
Being a bitch does not make you clever. Kindess harms no one.
except while 'death' might be the minority outcome, chronic health-related problems due to an excessive, restrictive diet and over-exercise (a killer for bone-health and density in women...i.e., brittle bones, ever hear of the gymnast effect?) would severely impede a woman's life & health 'after modeling'...besides the yrs spent in modeling (for most models anyway) are rather limited from the teens to the thirties at best. Would you have these women risk their health and happiness (b/c believe me, the brain nor the body is happy when it's not getting a proper intake of glucose via food, and neither can function properly nor to its optimal level from intentional starvation) for a couple of yrs on the catwalk?...not to mention all those emaciated, pre-pubertal boyish frames that never make it past an initial audition.
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So who would be "suffering" if there were different (healthier) industry standards?
The very few future wannabe models who would be unable, or unwilling, to maintain what's seen as a healthy weight? Are you saying they'd have no other options in life to support themselves?
I don't get where the "suffering" would come in. It's not like anyone would be taking away their right to vote.
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I agree that models these days are a bad role model for the average girl. It's sad that we live in a society that praises a girl's looks over her ability to think and participate in society.
As a professional photographer it also outrages me to know about what photoshop does to already thin girls seem even thinner. A friend who works in the NY fashion industry told me he is paid to make skinny girls skinnier and more flawless than they already are. Basically they create an illusion in magazines, but even knowing this, we still tend to hold ourselves up to that totally unrealistic standard.
At the same time though, I do realize that there are plenty of naturally skinny people out there who maintain healthy weights at size four. I don't think it's about having models over a size 8, that's just the same as saying that all models need to be size four or less. What I'd really like to see in the fashion industry is an ACCEPTANCE of women of ALL sizes and body types, from the size 1's,to size 8's, to size 14's and everything in between. Nature makes everyone differently, the point is to be comfortable in your own skin and the beautiful attributes that make you unique. I'd like to see the fashion industry reflect that, instead of one standard or another.
(As a side note, Dove has done a great job of this with their "real beauty" campaign. I hope to see more of this in the future.)
Only ugly people think this way.
sharedear lord..you've got enough ugly for the rest of us =O
anywho..just as a side note regarding the skinny girls who claim they "eat like horses" trust me, i don't think you do.
one of my best friends is reallyyyy skinny and while she may "eat like a horse" sometimes, her idea of eating heaps would probably differ to that of a average persons idea lol. Not to mention 9 times out of 10 shes eating below the recommended amount of calories one should eat throughout the day and theres a lack of healthy foods in her diet. So i'm just saying, just like some people with big appetites may think some people eat too little (when they eat perfectly enough) some girls out there might think there eating too much or enough when in actuality they are not.
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“anywho..just as a side note regarding the skinny girls who claim they "eat like horses" trust me, i don't think you do.”
Trust me, I do.
Anyway, obesity is more pervasive than anorexia is. Maybe governments should outlaw McDonalds. Oh wait, everyone knows that banning things doesn’t address the root of a problem. Models should be able to be as skinny as they want to be. If governments are so concerned, perhaps they should invest more in education, prevention and treatment programs. Perhaps they should focus their attention on the general population, not just the modeling world, where there are girls with eating disorders living in misery in rampant numbers. I suppose it’s not a popular or glamorous enough problem in the real world for government to focus their attention.
Also, I am horrendously sick of people acting as if it’s okay to say that skinny girls are all disgusting and sick, that curves are beautiful and bones are gross. I will never have curves – it is not my body type. How do you think that makes a person feel? I might see skinny girls on runways and in magazines who are touted as the ideal by the fashion media, but other media, women and (especially) men in real life constantly state that girls like that are gross. So now I feel gross. Now I feel as though I can never achieve the ideal to be “sexy,” “attractive,” or “womanly”. If I was to try to achieve such an ideal I would need to seriously overeat and forsake my health.
I am 32, the mother of two children aged 5 and 9, and I am a size zero. I eat like there's no tomorrow...I'm a big pot smoker (hidden from my children) and I cannot gain weight. I've always been this way, my doctors have always told me I have a super high metabolism, like that of a humming bird. My daughter is the same way, at 9 she weighs 52 pounds and no she doesn't starve herself either, she's not aware of body issues.
Maybe instead of poking at us skinny girls and saying "I don't believe you" you should realize that there are girls who have just as much trouble gaining weight as you large girls do with losing weight. I know just how many haters are out there, and most of it stems from pure jealousy. Jealous at the fact that we can eat all the crap we want and not have to count calories and hit the gym to get rid of cellulite. Oh but don't worry we thin girls don't get all the men, just the best looking ones who don't like women who are as big as them if not bigger, there's still men out there who like you fatties. Sling stuff at us thin girls and we'll sling it right back.
B.T.W. My best friend of 18 years is a fattie, I really couldn't care about how big a girl is, but when you start picking on us out of spite and jealousy, I'm (we're) gonna call you fatties. Not something I like to do, but I fight fire with fire. At least we're comfortable with our own bodies and don't feel gross and disgusting in a bathing suit or tight clothes. Real women don't have giant guts hanging over their jeans, so please stop trying to make the world think that we should all be at least 130 pounds or more. That's just not the norm. You can say "Well my significant other thinks I'm hot" but guess what he's probably the only one. Because I'm so thin I don't have many girlfriends (I wonder why) and therefore I have always had a circle of guy friends and they talk to me just like one of the guys. Men are the ones who started mooing and snorting at you, not us girls.
*There's a difference between women and girls, and it's not age*
You sound like a bitch, that's why you have no gfs.
shareThat is the stupidest I have ever heard! If a designer refuesed to use a size 10 model, all these women would be up in arms! But people are working on the legislation to discrimnate against anyone who's below a size 6??!! Don't you realize that it's just as bad and damaging?? So since I'm a healthy size 4, I take it that you think I'm too sick, skinny, and a bad standard for younger girls to be a model?? Why is that okay when you're so mad at others for calling an actress fat? And won't this whole thing just add to the obesity epidemic which people are also dying from? Oh, and let's just assume that this does go through and a year later you lose weight (from a healthy diet and a moderate amount of exercise) and get down to a size 4. Guess you can't be model! Are you going to bitch and moan that models are too fat now? THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLE AROUND YOU!!
shareI agree that the emphasis on size is stupid either way. Although I am strongly against the emphasis on extreme thinness, I don't think it's healthy to go to the other extreme and assume that all thin people are unattractive and unhealthy.
Here is my proposal. They should require all model to undergo HEALTH TESTS (i.e electrolytes, bone density, blood pressure, etc.) If a model's electrolytes or other test results come back unhealthy then the model should be required to sit out until she passes her wellness tests. I think that would be the perfect solution. It would emphasize HEALTH instead of size. I think size is pretty meaningless. Everyone is built differently. A size 0 may be perfectly healthy for one person but deadly for someone else. Same thing with larger sizes. A size 14 may be perfectly healthy if you're naturally big but it could be very unhealthy for someone else if they weren't naturally built that way.
I think we need to focus on people's NATURAL beauty instead of arguing whether they're too big or too small. That's why I think health tests are the best solution.
I completely agree with everything that you just said :)
shareThere is no legislation in the works in the United States to regulate the weight or clothing size of models. It hasn't even been proposed. In this country, there is an unfortunate public health campaign that targets the overweight and obese, rather than addressing public health from a "Health at Every Size" position.
Body snarking is an unfortunate national pastime, most of it aimed at women. You're right. IMDB boards are a living laboratory of the body snarking -- too fat and you're gross. Too thin and you should "eat a cheeseburger."
A huge waste of time.
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shareYa know...if we all stopped selling clothes we saw on models under a size six, designers would stop hiring 'em!
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