Inconclusive and skewed


This documentary basically focuses on three people. Thus it is not conclusive and means absolutely nothing about the state of Iraq. You could find three Neo-Nazis, three black panthers or three guys from the MS13 gang and try and convince people that state of America is as the people from one of these groups believe. This director went out and found three Iraqi's who supported his view of Iraq and mixed in some events that he thought were terrible and wouldn't exist if we weren't there. If you want to know what Iraqi's think then look at polls taken there with good controls and large diverse samples. That will tell you what Iraqi's really think and how they feel about the future of their country.

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The country has a future now?

I thought that the "alliance" had destroyed it. Hell if you think it's such a great place why don't you go and live there? If a foreign suicide bomber doesn't get you the occupying soldiers will

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I have to disagree. Documentaries are not opinion polls they are not asked to show the entire reality of anything just an aspect that maybe the viewer didn't know about, they are documenting something not everything. It is true that the viewer must keep in mind that there are still many voices in Iraq that are unheard and are not heard in this film.

On it's own however this documentary was unlike anything I have ever seen. The reality is that Iraq is breaking along three lines :Kurd, Shia and Sunni. America is not breaking along: Neo Nazi, Black panther and gangmember. That would be a skewed vision of America. Perhaps a comparable american film would show American on three lines: urbanites, middle america and immigrants.

This film was a vision of the secular city dwellers who want peace and business to carry on, the religious zealots who want victory and the ethnic minorities who want a flag.

So so beautiful.

So many more people should see it just so that they can know on whom these bombs are falling.

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Why do the Kool-Aid-swilling BushBots even bother to watch a film like this? All of their views and opinions on Iraq have been spoon-fed to them by the likes of Rush and Fox. These are people who're incapable of rational clear thinking. They're the people who make me ashamed to be an American. Listening to their heros like Rush ("Abu Grahib was just frat house pranks") and Ann Coulter ("We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity") makes it clear exactly why "they" hate us and why large sections of the Muslim world now detest America's policies.

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"ashamed to be an american" enough said,

And I'm sure you were one of the "blame America first" people after the world trade center smashed over 2000 people in new york. It's our own fault and we deserved it right? Muslims have shown how peaceful and accepting "they" have been throughout history.

Even a mindless "bush bot" like me who can't think for myself apparently, can watch and feel for the people in the documentary. But at the same time the film maker's agenda is hard to hide

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Yeah well, it's not that they're Muslim. Christians have been pretty damn violent too. I don't believe the blame for 9/11 belongs to a group of religion, just a group of religious fanatics. That could be any religion.

Opinions on Bush and the war aside, it's good people from both sides can feel for the people in the documentary.

But one thing is nagging me.
"Rush ("Abu Grahib was just frat house pranks") and Ann Coulter ("We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity")"
I checked, and they actually said that. That scares the hell out of me. I dearly hope that hardly anyone believes in that kind of thing.

Who shot who with a what now?!

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I couldn't say any better thommickel...These Bush loving chicken-hawks don't have the guts to go and sign-up and fight for this idiot president..no, they want others to fight it for them. I'm an American and a Vet, and I would not fight for this idiot.....I'm ashame to be an American too!..I can't believe Americans still listens to this jerk!. Are americans that stupid!

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I can kind of see what you're saying about the first two segments but the Kurds in the last segment supported the occupation. That's what made me think he didn't necessarily pick people who supported his views. Also, there were parts of the movie that he shot before the occupation which makes me think Longley's original purpose may not have been to paint his own picture of post-occupation Iraq.

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YOu are right, cheney was right- they will greet us as liberators and throw garlands of flowers and annoint our feet with oil for mercilessly butchering their families in seek of riches.

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"Muslims have shown how peaceful and accepting "they" have been throughout history."

I challenge this statement....

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I, for one, am glad Bushbots are taking an interest in this film. I'm more moderate than many liberals, but this war has been ridicilous from Day One. These right wing Yosemite Sam types need to be more educated, and they should watch or listen to the BBC_ but, of course, they never will. They need to squirm in their lazy-boys more often! This film proves what I've known for many years: there is no 'middle ground' in Iraq and that essentially goes for the whole region as well. The neo-cons have delighted me by proving that conservatives can be as or more naiive than those on the far left, who I frequently take issue with. This is a brave, insightful film which is not a predictable documentary at all. I think the second part is far and away the most compelling part of the film_ we really see how militant the Shiite movement in Iraq is and the film helps understand how we could very well replace Saddam with a new Khomeini in our efforts to 'democratize Iraq.' It makes a good companion to "The War Tapes" and "Iraq in Fragments" is clearly better than "Gunner Palace." I think this should be the film shown in all schools in America instead of "An Inconvenient Truth" for in my view_ and I differ with Al Gore here, negligent foreign policy is much more of a threat to our survival than any current environmental crisis_ of course, that could change.

A.F. "Tilly" Gokbudak

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Inconclusive and skewed maybe, but that still does not change the fact that the events that take place in the movie did actually happen. I think that the movie could have been considered a complete work with the first and third segments removed entirely. In my opinion it was a cheap ploy to use children as narrators to build some sort of obligatory sympathy for them.

The middle segment was by far the best and conveyed the most raw, brutal information about the state that Iraq is in. The way that the US presence has caused people to turn to such fanaticism and violence is quite unnerving. What's the most unsettling is that their anger is not directed towards the occupying US force, but towards their own countrymen. Beating people mercilessly for selling alcohol? Absolutley nothing good can come of that for anybody; Sunni, Shia or Kurd. It brings them no closer to establishing a unified Iraqi controlled government nor does it bring them closer to ridding themselves of the US. The only thing that it does is cause more hate and violence between Iraqis in a time where what is needed most is cooperation across religeous divides.

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but wait...THERE's MORE!

just when you thought youve seen everything....

"AP-Democrats criticized the Bush administration Tuesday for giving immunity to Blackwater USA bodyguards, calling the move a failure to hold the security contractors responsible for the shooting deaths of 17 Iraqi civilians.


The State Department, whose investigators initially promised to shield the bodyguards' statements in the criminal inquiry of the Sept. 16 shootings, maintained that any lawbreakers "must be held to account" as a result of the inquiry that has since been taken over by the Justice Department and FBI.

Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy, who sits on two Senate panels that oversee the State Department and the Justice Department, called the immunity deal an example of "the amnesty administration"

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IT'S BEEN NEARLY 5 YEARS.

ARE THEY JUST TOO BUSY WELCOMING US AS LIBERATORS AND THROWING ROSE PETALS AT THE FEET OF OUR TROOPS?

“A year from now, I’d be surprised if there’s not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush.” Former Pentagon Advisor Richard Perle, 9/22/03

KEEP DRINKING THAT KOOL-AID BUSHEEP. YOU'DA LOVED JIM JONES.

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" WASHINGTON (AFP) - The Pentagon cannot account for nearly 15 billion dollars in payments for goods and services in Iraq, according to an internal audit which members of Congress blasted Friday as a "shocking" accountability failure.
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Of 8.2 billion dollars in US taxpayer-funded defense contracts reviewed by the defense department's inspector general, the Pentagon could not properly account for more than 7.7 billion dollars.

The lack of accountability of the funds, intended for purchases of weapons, vehicles, construction equipment and security services, amounted to a 95 percent failure rate in basic accounting standards, according to the report.

"We estimated that the army made 1.4 billion dollars in commercial payments that lacked the minimum documentation for a valid payment, such as properly prepared receiving reports, invoices, and certified vouchers," deputy inspector general Mary Ugone told a Congressional committee Thursday.

"We also estimated that the army made an additional 6.3 billion dollars of commercial payments that met the 27 criteria for payments but did not comply with other statutory and regulatory requirements."

The Pentagon also was found to have given away another 1.8 billion in Iraqi assets "with absolutely no accountability," said Congressman Henry Waxman, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

"Investigators examined 53 payment vouchers and couldn't find even one that adequately explained where the money went."

Another five billion dollars spent on supporting the Iraqi security forces could not be properly traced, according to a November 2007 inspector general report.

"Taken together, the inspector general found that the defense department did not properly account for almost 15 billion dollars," Waxman said.

The disclosures sparked outrage among legislators and concern that US taxpayers are deeply vulnerable to massive waste and fraud in the Pentagon's contracting system.

- What did you expect from an illegal war? Responsible accounting?

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What a strange review. The film does not interview three members of different extremist organizations. Its first segment follows a little boy, relatively apolitical, though we hear some commentary about the U.S. presence from surrounding adults. The second segment focuses on the Shi'ite militia but doesn't just show them to be (justifiably or not) anti-American, but also intolerant extremists. The third segment is about Kurds, who are thankful for the occupation and live peaceful lives, condemning the suicide bombers of the south.

Ben_71, did you see Iraq in Fragments?

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