The Ultimates storyline was one of the greastest storylines in Marvel Comics' history. It had everything. Politics, alien invasion, team infighting, magic...it made old, tired, laughable characters into real, breathing heroes. It was revolutionary.
Yes, because there was never any "politics" in Avengers stories before. And I hardly think they were "tired," or "laughable." But then for thinking differently from you, your response is to call me a "retard," isn't it?
"Team infighting." Yeah, never seen that before.
"Alien invasion." Impressed by that, huh?
This cartoon is embarrassing. It completely waters down the graphic novel into something that could be shown on Nickelodeon on Saturday mornings.
I love this guy: "it's for kids, so it's bad."
Why is it? Why can't we in America have great, animated films that are geared towards ADULTS?? The Japanese have been doing it for years. Ghost in the Shell, Akira, Perfect Blue, Millenium Actress...great films with great stories that just happen to be animated. On this country however, it seems like studios have this mental block that will not allow them to gear anything animated towards people older than 11.
But wait, it still has "team infighting" and "alien invasion." The characters generally act the same as in the mag, just slightly watered-down from that. So what's his beef?
I really doubt he has one other than, "this comic impressed me because OMG it has something to do with politics and Captain America's costume was more functional; but this cartoon wasn't violent enough."
And for the people who say the animation is amazing...say whaaaat? You must be living under a rock in the middle of the Mojave. The animation sucked!! It was simplistic, childish...the old X Men cartoon of the mid 90s easily rivaled this in quality.
Actually, it's more like
X-Men: Evolution, but you're right. It's nothing spectacular. But wait, aren't you the same guy who praised the art in
Birthright after I said it sucked, and said "it's subjective?"
And you know what? I'll bet that the animation itself is why he thinks its so childish. That and the fact that it doesn't have the political aspect anymore. He thinks that liking things that have to do with politics makes him smart.
Watch Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence and then watch this. It does not compare! the amount of effort and expertise and sheer technical know-how that went into Akira alone dwarfs the Ultimate Avengers.
He doesn't back up his claim that it's "childish," but does a comparison for the animation. I think I'm onto something. I think he's just on something.
And that is real puzzling to me. The US does not lack the funds, the technology or the know-how. Our visual effects industry is easily years ahead any equivalent foreign industry yet we still churn out animation that is VASTLY inferior to the Japanese.
Oh well, you can't win 'em all.
I really hope that changes in the future...but Ultimate Avengers is a step backwards. Only rent it for your 8 year old little brother.
Yeah. Because if you can actually watch something that
might be geared toward younger kids (not that it really is) it means you're a "retard" and don't care about the quality of what you're watching. It can't just mean that you are willing to be reasonable to the picture you're watching.
See, this guy's easily-impressed whenever something its about politics (unless he's trying to act like it "doesn't go far enough" as they say). They
do take that aspect out of this film, and suddenly, "oh oh, it's just for little kids."
Pathetic.
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cornsaladisgood
15 years ago
I'll stay out of whatever is going on with you two, but Ultimate Avengers did suck.
Aside from the animation, my only other problem is their choice of alterations to the comic. They clearly altered aspects of the story so it could be more easily geared towards a younger audience, which admittedly, I wish they hadn't done, but is understandable. There were plenty of things however, that didn't necessarily have to be changed from the comic (Betty's role, Stark's entire persona, Banner being ever-so slightly more confident, Hank Pym is a D**che bag form the very beginning, etc.)
I guess my point is that "The Ultimates 1&2" were two of the best comics in a long time. I wish they had just done straight adaptations of the two, but its understandable why they wouldn't. What they did choose to do, however, (take a couple of story points from the comics and scatter them throughout the movie) wasn't impressive or entertaining.
It wasn't childish or retarded, it just sucked.
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Noruh
15 years ago
I agree with much of what the OP said. The Ultimates 1 & 2 were revolutionary storytelling and truly brought superheroes into the 21st century. It was truly some of the most inspired writing that Marvel has had in recent years.
Ultimate Avengers though was utter garbage. It was watered down, poorly written, and had zero character development. I hated every minute of this movie.
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Cinema_Lover
15 years ago
Wow you people have some amazing standards. I thought this animated film was just fine. May not have been great, but I thought it was solid. Some of the characterizations did seem odd, like Banner and Pym but otherwise it entertained me enough and it was better then a typical cartoon you see aired daily. I didn't think it was too kiddie either.
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bladou20
14 years ago
Yes, some people do have incredibly high standards. I watched this again and found the animation to be typical for this kind of production. It was somewhat jerky, but much better than the 90's X-men stuff.
The budget for anime films are probably much larger, as the audience is there. There is no audience for that in the U.S. I hate to say that, as I am an animator who would love to work on more serious material, but it is true.
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alienjesus
14 years ago
At least X-Men TAS has good voice acting and mostly accurate story adaptations (albeit toned down for younger audiences, but that was mandatory for fox). Some storylines were vastly inferior (proteus), but some were actually better than the comic (days of future past).
The worst thing about this film is that it teases us with such an accurate opening, but then completely derails halfway through. And it ends up being more about the hulk than the *beep* aliens. Of course, since they only gave them three ships as opposed to the HUNDREDS in the comic, I can understand why they were defeated so easily.
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razzzor-1
11 years ago
Victory_Over_Trolls you're pretty much trolling. The op is right with his criticisms, I just finished watching this and it was very disappointing. Having recently finished The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, in terms of storytelling it was light years ahead of this feature. Sure the animation was better than the series, but that's to be expected in a movie when they only have to animate 68mins as opposed to what... 20 hours of the full series. And both are still poor compared to most anime.
But Ultimate Avengers was childish, full of holes, told FAR too quickly in only 68mins. There was no character development, in fact no interesting dialogue at all - was it written by a child? Thor was a drunk college jock, Pym a pretty boy surfey, Stark and Banner looked and acted completely unlikable. Only Black Widow and Cap America looked good.
I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it, I still did, but only because I love everything Marvel.
If this was the live action feature it would be a joke.
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