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who give you the rigth to judge the bullfigthing it is a Hispanian tradition older than any other on europa.




WHO the hell give you the rigth to judge the spanish for his traditions or culture ?.


if the spanish want to keep his bullfigthing is their problem they breed the bulls to his sport if wasnt for bullfigthing the spanish bull would have disspear years ago.


Respect the spanish traditions even if u cannot understand or aprove it and the spanish will do the same .

even Hemingway liked the bullfigthing and he loved it and the most important he loved it.


Each year on spain more and more english and usa come to watch the bullfigthing or to run on las corridas.


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It's an acient tradition that should no longer be allowed..

Just because something is old and it is a tradition doesn't mean it's right.. The time back when bullfighting began was different. We are supposed to live in a more enlightened time and yet the spaniards still walks around killing the bulls for fun and entertainment..

Didn't Hemingway shoot himself in the head... doesn't give much for a man who loved bullfighting and then ends up killing himself.
I guess it's sort of connected - The love of watching bulls suffer and die, and killing yourself, Both things are insane..

Everyone who supports bullfighting should take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror, because something is seriously wrong with you.

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Great enligthement time where drop nukes over non armed people or to destroy the enviroment or where each year die 9 millons of people on africa and no one moves a finger.


Great engligthement times yes sire very great.

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It's been more than 60 years since Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, since then not a single nuke has been use in war... off course dropping the bombs in the first place might have been a mistake, but think about this fact:

"The nukes killed about 300.000 people and made many other people sick, but if the bombs hadn't been dropped, World War 2 would have continued on for about 5 more month, which would have ment death of several million amerikans and japanese.
The fact is that the bombs ended the war almost immediately and this saved countless lives."

If you drive a car then you are participating in the polution of earth. Have you ever driven a car? If that's the case you are also participating in the polution.

On the Africa issue, you have a point, I agree with you that all to little is being done to fight poverty and aids in Afrika..

But all these issues a side.. You still havn't giving me one good reason why bullfighting should be allowed to continue.. The "tradition thing" is not a good enough reason..

Why do the spaniards get so much joy out of watching bulls suffer?

Answer please.

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Just the spanish ?.

last year 15.000.000 millons of tourist come to any corrida or encierro.

The portuguese claims his bullfigthing is more clean than the spanish but never on spanish history has found than the bulls where drugged.

also they use more flags on the bull. when they done with him it dont look a bull.


lets talk about mejixo etc ?.


the spanish get joy of it ? dunno im not a bullfigthing maniac (im football maniac).

but on the spanish b ullfigthing not all the bulls get killed .
when the bull is killed he is used for skin for food etc.


But what made different of people killing bulls with hammers or air weapons than using a sword ?.

The BULL can kill you and the tradition never kill a bull than killed a bullfigther.


Im pissed because other countrys than lack traditions such toreo come and judge the spanish .


If the spanish wana finish the bullfigthing it will happen .

But will be the the spanish no peta boys or boys from the north than because they are so bored or dont have good football or other sports have to come to critic us .


Lets the spanish deal with bullfigthing and bare with it .

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Look up false analogy and get back to us. Your analogy is both false and inapplicable. BTW, what have you done to help the starving people in Africa?

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I'm spanish and I feel like sitting on the fence between one position and another because, in one hand, I absolutely hate any cruelty against animals, but, on the other hand, I feel that we must keep our culture and our traditions. I think it would be better if bulls weren't killed or harmed, just a bit "teased" in a certain and respectful way.Remember the "goyescas" type corrida. That's only art and show, and bulls are not harmed at all. I find that way funnier.

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The truth isn't in the humanity of bullfighting. Whether it's more humane to kill a bull in a bullring is beside the point--the truth is that, when killing animals becomes entertainment, that's when we've got a problem.

And as for ONLY foriengers judging you, take a look at both Cataluña AND the Canary Islands, both members OF Spain, and both which have banned bullfighting, in addition to certain parts of Spain such as Madrid who have put restrictions on it.

So it´s not just foreingers who think it´s cruel, so stop attaking. Many MANY Spanish hate it too. I live in Spain, and hardly any of my friends would ever go to a bullfight.

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I agree, the vast majority of Spaniardas have never gone to a bullfight and when corridas are aired on Tv we get really upset because it's so boring and lacks any interest. I think only aristocrats and old fashioned people actually enjoy it.The rest of people would rather watch the soccer...

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please explain then why just today 476000 people went to the feria de san isidro biggest bullfigthing event on the world.

Explain me why it had today more viewvers than the sevilla vs midlboro . just 768000 ..

Can you explain me also please why the toreo is followed by the low midle class rather than the high aristocrats than follow sports like tennis ?.


please explain me why the last years 5.6 millons of assitance to the bullfigthing the 56 % of them where boys around 250 30 %?.


The young people of spain worries more about how get drunk the weekends than to see even soccer or any other sport .

even on the football the average young spaniards is into 9 to 16 and from 30 to 80 ,

Maybe Paco umbral rings you a bell.




Like a famous spanish writer said . on spain the youngs are more worried about get drunk on botellons ( pseudo rave partys) than figthing for his future.
just look at France the young blood there figths for it on spain they get drunk and get the streets full of trashs with the money of his fathers expended on alcohol.

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Please explain to me why 5.9 billion other people didn't go to the Feria de San Isidrio

Please explain to me why 5.9 billion people didn't care about the sevilla vs midlboro

Can you explain me also please why the low middle class is spending their money on bull fighting tickets rather than saving their money for important things, such as groceries for their families and money for their kids education?

"please explain me why the last years 5.6 millons of assitance to the bullfigthing the 56 % of them where boys around 250 30 %?. " can you please explain to me what you're trying to say here?

The fact of the matter is, acheron, when you argue, you don't. You yell and scream about completely irrelevant things and trying and change the subject, or push the argument onto some other social flaw and essentially never really defend bullfighting. But it's okay, I certainly don't blame you, as it would be quite ballsy to do so.

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specially when spain had not 7 or 9 billons of citizens .

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i dont need to defend the bullfigthing as you should know i dont like it but i defend to those than like it and should have his opinions respected by the mongers than wana do whatever they like more.

Then the bullfigthing are a minory on the world ? yes but who gives you rigths to judge then .

and pelase dont try to sue morality because theya re way worse things than happens on this world ,and you probably havent moved a hand .


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Yeah, and in summer it's not just Spaniard youngsters who overindulge on booze, brawl violently in our streets and fill them with vomit and urine after a nasty hangover. Remember that many tourists come here just to get pissed so don't brand Spanish youngsters the greatest boozers in Europe.

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Whats more, I don't believe those figures. I repeat, people here don't give a **** about bullfighting, and I'm saying it because I live here

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"toreo is followed by the low midle class rather than the high aristocrats than follow sports like tennis ?..."
You have never lived in Spain, isn't it? Do you know the Duchess of Alba? Surely not. And middle class people cant't go to the bulls even if they wanted because tickets are way too expensive and only certain people can afford them.

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with 35 years i lived on españa for long time i gues .
Actually the bulls tickets cost way less than football or cinema costing just 5 euros normal and 15 with high figueres.


what about duches of alba she cannot like it ? or because there is 1 aristocrat than like its it make it bad ?.

because then im going to put you the king football etam the real madrid on screen to see what u said .

The toreo is stronger on the small midle citys on spain where hardly you can see high mlvl people .

But on your fascist logic they are just poor ignorants than should be guide for superiors people from madrid or specially barcelona ehh ??.





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Me a fascist?? Certainly you don't know me. Plus, this discussion is boring me, it's always the same thing...

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Leete esto :

El 72% DE LOS ESPAÑOLES SE DECLARAN “NO TENER NINGÚN INTERÉS POR LAS CORRIDAS DE TOROS”, A RAÍZ DE LA PROPUESTA DE LA MINISTRA SOCIALISTA, CRISTINA NARBONA, PARA QUE SE DEJE DE MATAR AL ANIMAL LIDIADO EN EL COSO
El 72,1% de los españoles no tiene actualmente ningún interés por los espectáculos taurinos, porcentaje que ha ido aumentando con el paso de los años, ya que en 1971 era del 43% y en 1993 subió al 61%.
La encuesta, realizada por el instituto Gallup, toma especial relevancia a raíz de la propuesta ayer de la ministra socialista de Medioambiente, Cristina Carbona, proponiendo que paulatinamente se deje de matar al toro lidiado en la arena del coso “para evitar ese momento sangriento”, según dijo.

Las españolas y los jóvenes los más antitaurinos. Esta falta de interés por la fiesta taurina lo demuestran, sobre todo, las mujeres españolas, con un 78,5%, y los jóvenes con edades comprendidas entre los 15 y los 24 años (81,7%), según la última encuesta del Ránking de Toreros e Interés por las Corridas de Toros, elaborado por Gallup (Instituto de Investigación de Mercados y Opinión).
Por el contrario, un 26,7% de los encuestados afirman estar interesados por las corridas de toros, de los cuales, un 19,3% considera tener "algo" de interés, frente a un 7,4%, que manifiesta "mucho" interés.

La afición a los toros de capa caída. El perfil de los aficionados taurinos abarca, en su mayoría, a personas de más de 45 y a hombres, ya que un 33,5% de los varones encuestados asegura interesarle los toros. Desde el punto de vista de la evolución histórica, la encuesta continuada de Gallup refleja que el interés por las corridas de toros mantiene una tendencia a la baja, ya que en 1971 el estudio reflejó un 55% de interés, en 1993 este porcentaje bajó al 38%, en 1999 se situaba en el 32%, en el 2002 la afición era del 31% y actualmente se encuentra en el 26,7%.
Por regiones de residencia, existe mayor interés por las corridas de toros en el norte, con un 32,1% de aficionados, y el litoral valenciano (31,7%), mientras que la región noreste, especialmente Cataluña, es la que menos interés muestra con estos espectáculos, con un 19,3%.

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My take on this whole bull-fighting thing:

It's true, just because something is a tradition doesn't mean it should continue. For example the Romans had gladiator fights. It was disgusting and gross and no-one would think of doing it today.

However, that is no reason to not make a movie about it. Look at Gladiator or Spartacus. The actors weren't endorsing gladiator fights, they were just making a good movie.
And having a movie like this will raise awareness which is good.

And I don't really get the whole bull-fighting thing anyway. It's like, "Ha ha look at the stupid animal!" But it is obviously popular. Some people just like to watch violence, I guess.


Well this movie will be awesome, I know for sure (AhhhhhhAdrien). I can't wait to see it.

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ys but what type of gladiator figths because some fools like you cannot make the difference of the empire gladiators games and the old ones than where used as funerary rytes.



Than no one does gladiator thing today ?.

this make you look even more stupid boy or girl.


Can you care to explain me why when more violence on tv more people watch it ?.

what about modern wrestling or extreme figthing . what about people than destroy themselves infront a camera for money .


what about american football or rugby .

why the scenes of violence of the gulf war have the higest ranking on tv of the history ?.



Admit people likes violence and when it is controlled then better .


a writer said one time .

the civilization is a new thing for the human because while you have 5000 years of civilization you have 150.000 of barbary.



Robert.E.Howard.

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I did say that I thought people do like violence, so on that point I agree with you.


About the gladiator thing, I just wanted to point out the similarities between bullfighting and gladiator games. Just a thought.


Admit people likes violence and when it is controlled then better .

I don't understand what you're saying. Are you saying violence should be more controlled? Or not? I am for more freedom; if people want to see violence, it's their choice and they should be able to. But the problem is the bull doesn't have a choice. With wrestling and etc. both sides are willing. That is not the case with bull-fighting.

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the violence must be controlled to make people get rid off of this.

risk sports are each day more and more popular.


and why the bull must have a choice you eat flesh no ? would you then make people stop eating flesh because we have to respect animals feelings rigths ?.

do you think than a shark when bite a human think about rigths ?.

i could begin again with morality and hipocrescy and biggotry about talk about asnimal rigths when there is millons of people than dont have acces to them ..


Going to put you a example.

talking me country no mexico or other country where they like his omw bullfigthing.

1: the bulls on spain live a media of 4 years.
2: the goverment laws ensure the wealth of the bulls .
3: before a bullfigthing or a corrida or a encierro the bulls have to past 9 tests ( drugs and other things are used mostly on countrys like mexico and portugal like the scandal on 2004 on portugal when was discovered than the portuguese bulls where given stereoids to make them bigger .
4: the iberian bull . note the iberian bull isnt a animal of what you can made profit . it take alot of times 4 years for grow one to a decent size.
5: iberian bulls are danguerous they are animals on this planet than can produce more Adrenalin per sec than anything you know.
6: iberian bull flesh is not great for eatinng it is so much strong .
7: without the bullfigthing the bull farms will have to close.
8: of 23.000 bulls on spain it would mean the sacrifice of of atleast 21.000.
9: the spanish goverment cannot take care of animals like bulls on the nationals parks they need alot of time and workers and money .
10: accroding to spanish animals agencys the bull would soon follow the destiny of the iberian horse.


You know than just 200 years ago spain have around 450.000 iberian horses classified as some of the best of the world.

when it stoped to be a good job the number of horses droped to 12.000 and mopst of them omwned by the spanish army.

you know the destiny of the spanish horses?

The slaugther houses of france since they like horse meat .


Bann bullfigthing : dead of the iberian bull.

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Well, I've thought some more on this and I guess you convinced me.

Above all I abhore sticking my nose into other people's business. If people want to watch bullfighting, it's up to them. I think it's disgusting and I would discourage anyone from doing it, but it's not my problem. They have a right to do bull-fighting if they want.

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So Let's judge American Women on their fake boobs..and fake nose jobs... and to be gold-digging sluts who expect to be treated like princessess... and they way they have to starve themselves so they'll be "pretty"

Great role models for today's young women.


BTW, Bullfights are cool. Much more fun than watching Ashlee Simpson scream..I mean sing.



I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine and he shall be my Squishy.

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FIrst of all... let me say I am not a bullfighting fan, nor do I want to attend one... but I do think that it is largely hypocritical for most Americans to ridicule this sport. I have been to a beef slaughterhouse in Texas back in the 1980s. When I saw the passive cattle being forced into a garage-like door... only to have 2 large spikes lunge down and spear the animal in full view of the one behind. The panic in these animals in their last moments is something you will never forget. They were then lifted high off the floor by these spikes... many continued to wiggle free because they were not killed immediately. Forget about chickens, sheep and hogs.

I don't think the morality of bullfighting is the issue on this film, however. The film is about a bullfighter. It's not a documentary about the rightness or wrongness of bullfighting. Like any figure in history, this film should give some fascinating insight to what motivated this man and what his passion was. That's why I am interested in seeing this movie upon it's release.

Oh.. by the way.. Brody looks VERY MUCH like Manolete... his casting was ideal. Cruz was the obvious love interest. Should be a great film.


"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown!"

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Totally agree!

No one is forcing anyone to see this film. Don't like it lump it!

I worship the Corridas and Faenas. Thats why the world is so goofed up today, everyone keeps knocking others culture and traditions.

Andale torero!


Every man and every woman is a Star!

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Bullfighting is also very popular in Southern France and in Portugal.

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Dog fighting is "popular", too, including in the USA. Being popular doesn't make it right.



Rachel

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