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is there any scenes of animal cruelty?


I am a die hard Adrien Brody fan but I cannot see this movie if there is any animal cruelty. Even if its fake. Can anyone tell me if there is any animal cruelty? thanks.

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This film is about the greatest bullfighter in history. Have you ever seen videos of bullfights? They are some of the last hold overs from Ancient Roman games. They are important to the history and culture of Spain and Mexico. The bullfighter uses instruments that pierce the skin at the back of the bulls neck, as well as a sword to kill the animal. He might also cut the ear off as a souvenier. If you can't handle that, I suggest you don't see the film... even though they may use CGI effects for the fights.

On the other side of the coin.... animal cruelty may not be the most graphic part of this film. This is one of the most dangerous of all "sports". Manolete was injured seriously more than once in the ring by an angry bull. I won't even mention how he died and no doubt, this movie will want to tell that tale, as well.


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Ok, bullfights are not important in mexico. They are important in spain and a little less in France. The cutting of the ears and tail its done when the bull is already dead, and its not as a souvenir, Its simbolic, they only do it when the bullfighter does a good performance, really its difficult to explain in english without using the right words

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Not important in mexico? estas bromeando? they are big fans of the bullfights, im from ecuador, and here is the same. Have u even heard of Plaza de Toros de Mexico, where manolete participated.

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I read where there will be alot of CGI in the film and no real bull will be killed. In fact I read where PETA was going to endorse the film???

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NO TOTALLY NOT. There isnĀ“t any cruelty with the animal, the "banderillas" is in 3D, like the blood.

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CGI bullfighting?? Thats horrible. I can safely say this will then look terrible. Anyone who knows about the mastery and art of bullfighting know that not even most toreros can emulate the style and grace of Manolete and the ferocity of a charging bull, especially the Miura that killed Manolete. What a disgrace. A CGI bull will be a burla (dont know english word, make fun of?) of the real thing. I must seen this only now to see how badly it will be done. I know it would be impossible to teach the actor to torear, especially like Manolete, but CGI is just disgraceful. Those who don't like bullfighting, either open your mind or dont see it! Manolete is a legend of bullfighting, even having a pass (La Manoletina) named after him. It is when the torero passes the bull with the muleta behind his back, and Manolete would look at the crowd while doing this, not the bull.

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burla= mock ,mockery, to mock.

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CGI bullfighting?? Thats horrible. I can safely say this will then look terrible. Anyone who knows about the mastery and art of bullfighting know that not even most toreros can emulate the style and grace of Manolete and the ferocity of a charging bull, especially the Miura that killed Manolete. What a disgrace. A CGI bull will be a burla (dont know english word, make fun of?) of the real thing. I must seen this only now to see how badly it will be done. I know it would be impossible to teach the actor to torear, especially like Manolete, but CGI is just disgraceful. Those who don't like bullfighting, either open your mind or dont see it! Manolete is a legend of bullfighting, even having a pass (La Manoletina) named after him. It is when the torero passes the bull with the muleta behind his back, and Manolete would look at the crowd while doing this, not the bull.

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Blimey, Equimanthorm - don't prejudge or anything, will you? Get real, man: at least SOME of the footage has to be faked in on way or another. It's a movie, for goodness sake. Films have a 100 year history of faking stuff, in order to make it better on film. I VERY much doubt that Brody would have fought a real 500kg bull. I also doubt that anyone, other than a handful of aficionados, will be able to tell. But you know what - you've already made your mind up that this is no good, so my advice is don't bother to see it.

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I don't think so. A movie about bullfighting depicting harm to bulls? What sense would that make?

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Just to clear some things up. First, bullfighting has an enormous acceptance, and forms part of the culture of many countries. In South America, just to name a few: Mexico, Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia... In Europe: Spain, France, Portugal. So it's not just reminiscent of only one country.
Someone with issues on animal cruelty, would surely not feel comfortable watching a movie on this topic. So, yes there is animal cruelty... just as there is in fox-hunting, any type of hunting as such, killing whales, etc. Please don't turn this into a moral issue. I'm spanish and I don't like bullfighting; but I do understand that what lies behind it, is not merely torturing an animal to death for the sake of it. It's rather a form of art...... you may like it or not. The bulls involved are bred with the only intention of being used in this event.
As far as there being a real bullfight in the film - are you serious? The danger involved in this is huge. This is partly some of the attraction of bullfighting. It's obvious that an actor wouldn't be exposed to this huge danger. It's only logical to think that those scenes are not real. Adrien Brody did recieve advice from some well-known spanish bullfighters though.
I don't know what the final outcome of the film will be. It tells the history of one of Spain's greatest figures in bullfighting. It's actually in a great part, a love story (with Lupita). Just like many other films, having been made depicting the lives of many other reknowned figures. One particular curiosity is that Adrien Brody is physically extremely alike the real Manolete.

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vaneglez, you dont like bullfighting? are you sure? read again what you said: "...but I do understand that what lies behind it, is not merely torturing an animal to death for the sake of it..."
yes it is!it embarrasing and it shouldnt be allowed.

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Merze1981, I don't like soccer - but I understand what it's about and I don't even live in a country were soccer is big. I can also understand the art of the opera, but I have no interest in going to one. Surely someone who lives in Spain can understand what bullfighting is all about without particularly liking it.
And, as it turns out vaneglez is right about it.
Just because YOU can't see any other motive for it, doesn't mean no other motive exists.

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so i guess it isnt torture after all, im sure the bull enjoys it as well.
im ashamed of being spanish in many ways (as well as im proud of it some other times), but the thing that irritates me the most, is the way people try to conceal bulffighting as art and part of our culture... *beep*
ps: soccer, opera!! there's no comparison

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ella173 said:

"I for one will not pass judgement on the culture of another country. I think we Americans love to pass judgement on other countries. Everyone doesn't have to live the way we do or enjoy the things we do."

This has nothing to do with passing judgment on other countries or cultures. Bullfighting, like a lot of other activities (or arts or whatever the *beep* you want to call them) is about a stupid human being cruelly torturing an animal, only to be praised by a bunch of more stupid human beings who enjoy it and keep the activity alive. Period.

Whether you think it's art, culture or it has to do with a specific country it really makes no difference, humans are human, there are cruel stupid ones everywhere in the world, as well as (luckily) more interesting, kind, well-intentioned humans who make good use of the potential in their brains.

At least that's the way I see it.

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Animal cruelty will be depicted, as bullfighting is the torture and murder of an animal, as a previous poster said, for "art".
However, it seems it will all be simulated, which is certainly better for the bulls! If you are generally against cruelty to animals, you should weigh out whether or not you think the movie is glamorizing this cruelty.

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I'm going to see a war movie...do you think there'll be killed people? I'm not sure...

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To answer the original question: As far as I'm concerned, there were no scenes of animal cruelty. No bulls died or were shown bleeding, etc.

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