So, did Stuart Allen finish his dad off then or what?
Because Stuart says his dad is dead, but in the last scene of them both(actually the day before), his dad is bleeding but still alive.
He might have been left to bleed to death, but I'm thinking his son might have done something.
No proper conclusion to it, so just wondered if anyone knew anything?
'Consciousness is a curse. I think. I feel. I suffer.'
I thought you saw him stop breathing near the end of the film?
That's what I figured, anyway. He guessed it was pointless to call for an ambulance, and the police would also get involved.
The scene with Stuart Allen watching his father bleed to death was a reference to the time his father made him eat the packet of cigarettes. We see PA staring at his father, not looking away once. The implication being that he sat there the whole time, staring. (In the scene following this one, we see him light a cigarette). It is clear he had little love for his father.
shareMy thought is Stuart let his father die. As he was explaining about his childhood and how his father treated him, I assume he let his father die. Besides that, I had noticed the father stopped breathing when Stuart was watching him. If Stuart cared I think he would have called 911 right away to try to save his father but he didn't.
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>>>>>If Stuart cared I think he would have called 911 right away to try to save his father but he didn't.
Erm if he'd have dialled that he'd not get very far... or have a terrible boyband showing up. I don't know which would be worse??!?!
He would have to phone 999 in the UK to call an ambulance.
"What are you, some kind of doomsday machine, boy?"
Just to add to the point, his dad sat and stared at him to watch him smoke those ciggarettes because he did something wrong, and now he has to pay for it. So likewise he sits there and watches his dad blead to death because that is his punishment for trying to abuse a little girl, and he must take it like a man, no sympathy.
Just liked he tracked the girl down in order to force her to shoot the men who had abducted her, what comes around goes around I think is the main message. It is as much a punishment for her as it is for them, because SHE has to be the one to shoot them, even if she doesn't want to.
Secondly, i'm not sure, but I think maybe if you dial 911 in this country you still get the police, i remember hearing something about it in the news to make it easier for foriegners. ( By thew way, what do the french dial, just curiously).
that would be 112.
shareTo the best of my knowledge, if you dial any of the common emergency service lines (110,112,911, etc) you still get the emergency services. It's not like these 3 digit numbers are for sale anyway.
shareIt's not like these 3 digit numbers are for sale anyway.
LOL!!!! i was all senti after watching the film but the you blow it away! lol 911? hahahahha
Les Noir
Yeah soulqt is on the money, I thought it was a very tight film and brilliantly acted. A must see and a triumph of a film on such a low budget.
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Perhaps Stuart was sexually abused as a child by his father.
My interpretation was that Stuart was abused by his father. When he asked the girl "Did he tie you up?" I got the impression he was comparing her ordeal with his and he knew what she was going to say.
I rented this film after seeing the positive reviews plastered all over the box and I thought it was okay. Stuart's character ruined the film for me. He was poorly acted and unrealistic. I enjoy seeing untouchable gangsters being driven around and a$slicked in mobster films but not in films that are intended to be set in real life. I also thought the film tried to push sympathy on him at the end which was too much to ask after seeing him in a lapdancing club and being so unsympathatic to the girl in the car.
i agree with what you're saying, brad. however, i felt that unrealism of stuart added to the film, and took it away from being just another grittily realistic drama. so many films in the uk aim for the kitchen sink style - some succeed, some look cliched. for me, having a character like stuart made the film stand out.
sharehe only watched him die. just like his daddy did in the past. didnt save his life or didnt speed up the process. just watched =)
shareYeah, I agree he just watched. I thought this scence, his explaination to Joanne previously and the following scence with him in the car alone give the entire arch and explaination of his relationship with his father. It therefore fits with the cut up flashback stlye narrative
What at first appears to be anger at what Joanne has done to his father could be interpreted as digust or anger at his fathers immorality. He explains how his father punished him early in life which that implies that their relationship has always been somewhat strained. He appears the underdog and maybe not always approving of his fathers actions. Then finally, for the first time in the whole film we see Stuart, alone in the back of the car; unfettered by associates and family.
Looking at the traditional heirarchies of mob familes, being the son of the boss now means Stuart the prince is next in line to lead. So for the first time in the film (and as he is only a character the audience can only infere that his whole life has been this way) Stuart's freedom to choose is restored, his first choice is to smoke a cigarette withouth the fear of his father's reaction.
Stuart sat there and watched his father take his last breath, refusing to help him in any way. He was appalled by what his father had been doing for god only knows how many years.
I so felt for him when he explained the cigarette story. What a cruel thing to do to your child. And he smoked anyway in the end. Up yours dad!!
~Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe~
If Stuart didn't care about his dad and just let him die (which I agree seems to have been the case), then the the whole revenge routine seems a bit overblown. Sure, he may have wished to find out what had actually happened, but it wouldn't justify his leg stabbing, guns blazing, "get-me-the-girls-in-24-hours-or-else" hysteria.
shareStuart's actions served the purpose of maintaining his image and others' fear of him. He would lose his authority if he didn't act quickly to avenge his father's death.
shareAs Stuart said, 'Someone has to pay for this'. He wants his revenge, but he wants it to be against those he sees as being chiefly responsible - the ones who arranged for Joanne to be sent to his father. Arguably, Stuart is not as big a villain as his father in that he seems to have more compassion and even some morals (after all the son of a gangster doesn't necessarily have to share his father's faults - it would seem that this one doesn't. Why else would he give Kelly the money if he didn't feel some sympathy for her and her plight?) Basically, he gives orders for the fugitives to be found so that he can find out what actually happened (although you get the impression that he already knows the important details) so that he can then dispense his version of Justice (and, to be honest, does the viewer really disagree with what he does in Derek's case? The trouble is that Chum(?) is, arguably, a largely innocent victim in that he doesn't know anything about Joanne's recruitment and doesn't really like anything about what's happening. Having said that, he doesn't do anything to stop it.)
Jim
Good points. Benny Hill once used the German "nein, nein, nein!" with a punch-line of "Vat's das, Scottland Yard?"
The tie-up question put to Joanne spoke volumes to me, and Williams said it was like a punishment, Stuart wanting to hear the awful details, as if he could of prevented it somehow. I thought someone mentioned that these guys aren't really hard-core gangsters either. Stuart's Dad is rich and sadistic, which is why he goes to an amateur like Derek, and why Stuart seems so empty inside, until this.
"The only reason I'm paranoid is because everyone's against me." - Frank Burns.