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ONLY IN AMERICA!

posted 15 years ago by adambenoit
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I wasn't surprised to see such a film about Islam coming from the US, it does all the right things to brainwash the poorly educated right wingers.

However, my biggest problems with this piece were the simple lack of historical facts.

The film spends a lot of time mulling over the rantings of a few preachers and worries about what COULD happen if radical Islam gains power.

As a white, european male of Christian heritage I am ashamed to admit that which HAS happened; historically and factually it is the white Christians of the world that have caused the most pain and sufferring to date and not muslims, jews, hindus etc. As bad as the 9/11 or 7/7 attacks were they pale into insignificance with events like the sacking of fallujah; a city of some 300,000 people that was left ruined and a playing ground for trigger happy and no doubt xenophobic red-neck youths, and that is just one event among dozens in the last decade. I no longer subscribe to any organised religion so to me all life is valuable, i don't belive 3000 dead in the 9/11 attacks justifies the death of possibly hundreds of thousands in the middle east!

We have been responsible for the bloodiest wars in Human history. Iran is mentioned as a threat but no mention is given to the fact that Iran hasn't fought an offensive war in nearly 200 years (it was Saddam that declared war on the Iranians so they responded accordingly). America on the other hand has pretty much only ever fought offensive rather than defensive wars with the odd exception. We make our business in warfare, if we didn't sell arms to the world we couldn't call ourselves world powers, the Europeans are bit part players, the greatest war monger disguised as a peacemaker is in fact, and i'm saddened to say this, American governments, since the end of the second world war.

It was white, fascist Christians who killed 11 million in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany, 6 million of them Jews - it was not Muslims that did this!

We have historically attacked Islam, the threat of Islam only seems new to those poorly educated working class types targetted by the right wing. We travelled hundreds of miles on horse back to fight our crusades, we tortured and humiliated Jews in the witch hunts and inquisitions, we made them dress in certain ways so we could identify them as different.

We conquered lands and slaughtered the natives and we never apologise for these things, we just seek to find new enemies and 'monsters' to test our weapons on.

We fought our neighbours in both World Wars (the bloodiest wars in Human History and not the fault of Islam!) Not to mention slavery, the empires we made based on imperialism and manifest destiny and of course good old fashioned racism.

Yes there are many frightening aspects of Islam as there are to Judaism and Christianity (just read the old testament if you don't believe me) but there is no need for such blatant, hateful propaganda as seen in this film.

I sat in amazement as the creators of this piece accused the extremist of doing EXACTLY what they themselves are doing by making this film (albeit to the opposite end of the same curve of extremism).

I fully expect to be accused of all sorts of things for expressing my opinions, but history shows us that such things have always happened.

Once upon a time good white folk who believed black folk deserved to be treated like the Human Beings they are were called 'n***er lovers' as a slur on them, similar sentiments are expressed over those who refuse to believe blatant hatred of Islam and muslims. I truly believe time is on our side and not on the side of the right wing, war mongering, neo conservative, evangelical zionists.

[–] billyrocha2 15 years ago

"We have historically attacked Islam, the threat of Islam only seems new to those poorly educated working class types targetted by the right wing. We travelled hundreds of miles on horse back to fight our crusades, we tortured and humiliated Jews in the witch hunts and inquisitions, we made them dress in certain ways so we could identify them as different."

I believe you are referring to the crusades. It was Islam that approached and threatened Christianity. The crusades started when the Byzantine emperor asked the pope to help him resist Muslim advances into his territory. Islam spread rapidly after it was made up by momahmand. conquering their neighbors, killing all of the men. They then raped the women and sold them later so that they could get more weapons. It was Islam that took the offence as soon as it was created.
We are not in the middle east for revenge because a 3,000 americans were killed. We are here because it was the right thing to do.

"Yes there are many frightening aspects of Islam as there are to Judaism and Christianity (just read the old testament if you don't believe me) but there is no need for such blatant, hateful propaganda as seen in this film."

you need to look into Islam a little more, I used to think the same thing as you until I pick up a koran. you cannot compare religions solely on their religious texts, but look at their application today. you are right about white Christians, but the church as matured a little bit since then. Islam has not.

last year a girl wanted a divorce from her husband, they told her that she was not old enough yet and that she should wait until she hits pubrity. the husband was 58, she was 8.

why would anyone what to marry a 8 year old. Because mohammed did and in the eyes of muslims this war greedy warmonger was the perfect man. There are many cases of violation of human rights in Islamic countries. Christians may have a tainted past but muslims have a tainted present.

this film is not hatful propaganda, there are no lies in it. you need to do your research.

[–] xgizmoxgh 15 years ago

Currently right now there are 36 Radical islamic compounds in America. What these people are doing is recruiting Black Inmates to join their cause. Why would a Black Inmate join their cause when they get out of prison? The answer is that these compounds have a lot of money being pumped into them from oil companys that they own. Then what they tell these Inmates is that them and any member of their families can come and stay with them in these compounds, as long as the male trains.

The very start of the video says that this video does not include Muslims, but Radical Jihad. They state they believe this group does the non-radicals as much harm as anyone. Not only do the tarnish their names, but they kill them in bombings. The video, does not only use Americans to get its point across, but people from all over the world, and those that themselves lived that very lifestyle.

[–] rajiraouf 15 years ago

billy, i just did me research. but i dint refer the "HATE MUSLIM ENCYCLOPEDIA VOL 1-200". so, i dint exactly get the same figures you got.

I agree with your view that Christianity has matured. it was just a couple of years ago that the church decided that unbaptized infants need not suffer.
(http://www.religionnewsblog.com/18025/limbo). and dint the pope just apologize for all christian priests for committing child molestation. yes, it has matured, if you consider that it is the same religion that ordered the killing of copernicus and Galileo. along with the massive witch hunts too.

if Christianity had a tainted past, what do you call its present.

u worry about certain singular incidents about 58 year olds marrying 8 year olds. but i assume its perfectly all right for the high priests to molest 6 year old boys. a few samples of mature Christianity.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Former-Priest-Sentenced-for-Molesting-9-Year-Old.html

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2008/dec/02/ca-church-abuse-120208/?zIndex=18411

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-100469074.html

talk about the present.

[–] billyrocha2 15 years ago

" just did me research. but i dint refer the "HATE MUSLIM ENCYCLOPEDIA VOL 1-200". so, i dint exactly get the same figures you got."

I just reread what I wrote before and I didn't give any figures... I got my information from many diffrent sources. and made up my mind later.

"u worry about certain singular incidents about 58 year olds marrying 8 year olds. but i assume its perfectly all right for the high priests to molest 6 year old boys. a few samples of mature Christianity."

The reason I metioned the incident about the 58 year old marrying the child was so I could explain why he did it in the first place. Singular incidents like that really don't matter. It's the fact that those marriges are accecpted in that part of the world, thats what worrys me not just that one case. Molesting children by anyone is wrong and i know you know that as well. Funny though the links you posted go on and on about boys being abused by priests. But when they get caught, they get through in jail and by the pope apolgizing for the abuse is admitting that the church knows abusing children is wrong. But that is something that Islam does not see.

", it has matured, if you consider that it is the same religion that ordered the killing of copernicus and Galileo. along with the massive witch hunts too."

That was hundreds of years ago and yes it has matured well at least compared to islam. when just a few months the saudi court sentenced a 75 year od woman to 40 lashes, 4 months in jail for mingling with men. Or 4 people that were convected of gang rape were just whipped a few times. how about a Muslim cleric saying that biofuels are sinful. also a saudi judge sentenced a pregnant gang rape victim to 100 lashes for committing adultery.

Know lets go back to the child mosleting...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/1453786/Acid-attack-on-boy-who-refused-sex-with-Muslim-cleric.html

Now do you believe that it is only in Christnaty that this occurs? or is it that the priests get caught, punished and humilated. Unlike in Islam they don't cover it up either, well not nearly as much as in Islam.

here are some links you might like to read of the news aritcles

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29601865/
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=7040945
http://www.cleantech.com/news/4196/muslim-cleric-says-biofuels-are-sin
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1141267/Saudi-judge-sentences-pregnant-gang-rape-victim-100-lashes-committing-adultery.html

Christanity may not be all that great anyway but at least you can covert from it peacefully...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7833621.stm

[–] gipper42 15 years ago

Christanity may not be all that great anyway but at least you can covert from it peacefully...

If you truly believe a Muslim can't convert to another religion peacefully, regardless of the society this Muslim lives in, then you are hopelessly ignorant and your knowledge of this is mostly useless.

[–] billyrocha2 15 years ago

The punishment for apostasy in islam is death in many countries. Where it is not death the person who has converted is placed in jail. Try converting in Iran, Saudi Arabia, murders and violence against converts has been reported in Pakistan, Turkey, Nigeria, Indonesia, Somalia, and Kenya.

This is what Dr. Zakir Naik has to say on the subject.

http://www.desivideonetwork.com/view/sha6g205w/death-penalty-for-apostates-dr-zakir-naik/

I am not ignorant, my eyes are open. There may be moderate muslims but there is only one islam. and that islam does not tolerate apostasy.

[–] rajiraouf 15 years ago

Brilliantly put. adam, brilliant.

there is actually a math you could apply here. if you put all the people, (and even trees, animals, and even houses) (even alleged ones) killed and destroyed by alleged muslims and jihadis on one side (from the start of history) , it would NOT even amount to the tiniest comparable fraction to the number of people killed by the USA under a born again christian leader in the year 2003 alone. Now there is a statistic you would not argue with.

and just to be sure, if bin laden did kill all those in 9/11, dint he get that precise training from the CIA. Wasn't he a friend of USA till he turned hostile. And Saddam. I wonder who created him. and then sold him to the gallows.

[–] scottathan 15 years ago

i question your math.

muslims have raided and conquered continents ever since mohammed raided his first caravan (during times of peace). even if you want to say that george w bush's war has killed as many as you say he has, the muslims have had a good 1400 years or so head start.

in any case, you can call the war in iraq questionable or even illegal, but there is no way that the us military is responsible for anywhere near the same amount of carnage as the muslims are. people make it out like the us soldiers are over there bayonneting kids on their way to school and machine gunning market places and that is just absurd.

the soldiers are there trying to protect people from these maniacs and everybody gives the crap for it.

[–] DMCer 15 years ago

adambenoit: What an ignorant comment. You're a blind idiot.

[–] mmattagirl 15 years ago

AdamBenoit, a reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain - can you say "sucker'?

Also an obvious antisemite!

George... don't do that!

[–] gipper42 15 years ago

Also an obvious antisemite!

What a stupid thing to say. Where is the anti-Semitism in benoit's post?

[–] keysersozae-1 15 years ago

Are you trolling? I have never read such a load of propaganda in my entire life. By the way, YOUR argument is hypocritical, I'll point out some areas where you demonize Christians in your post. (I say this as an atheist.)

"I truly believe time is on our side and not on the side of the right wing, war mongering, neo conservative, evangelical zionists."

"those poorly educated working class types targetted by the right wing."

"poorly educated right wingers"

YOU are just as bigoted as the people you are attacking. Also, why claim all your opponents are "poorly educated?" Does that make you feel better by comparison? Are you the kind of person who gets a massive erection because he managed to get into college?

[–] gipper42 15 years ago

Also, why claim all your opponents are "poorly educated?"

Because they are on certain issues?

Are you the kind of person who gets a massive erection because he managed to get into college?

WTF does sexual arousal have to do with intelligence?