killing the dog
I know why they did it and what it was showing but I thought it was F...ed Up Plain and simple.
Till that day - Joe Sarno
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I don't understand why it's so f...ed up?
shareI don't understand why people say killing a dog is messed up, but then they will watch movies where tens of people are killed. Plain ol' interesting to me!
shareLet me try to explain what I meant. I know by killing the dog in the movie's movie it would disturb the audience in the film. The whole "shock" of animal cruelty. And The director of the films art. Why I think its messed up.... I guess I didn't mean it in the literal sense because I know for one it was not real and two the end of the actual movie is was a humorous thing. He was saying F... you to the sensors and critics. However. If this was a movie in which they kill a dog like that. I might have had the same reaction as the audience. Mainly because I am an animal kind of guy. I own two dogs that I spoil and love. And the graphic dog twitching would probably be a bit over the top due to me thinking what if that happened to one of my dogs. I get the same way when I see children die in films.(and hell I don't even have kids, and minus my younger siblings I don't like children). Now as for seeing Humans bite it in a film. I could care less. Is it because as society we have excepted this in films? I am not sure. I personally love dogs and can care less about a human. I don't know why, but I do. Anyway I guess my first post was just an instant reaction. Also, for a final note I don't think I can get anymore confusing trying to explain this. So if you don't understand what I mean it's obviously because I'm having a hard time trying to explain.
Till that day - Joe Sarno
Well, you know what? In real life, dogs and kids dies. You can't deny it just because it's comfortable for you. Now that's hypocrisy and that's what the movie shows: the director didn't kill the dog for his pleasure; it has a meaning, it gives a tone to the movie, to his vision. And in fact, I'm sure that in real life, bad guys would kill that dog. It's all about being honest - to the viewer and to yourself. I found it very surprising; such a nice, bitter thought in hollywood movie.
share...the irony here is hysterical actually
It is SPECIFICALLY because people like you say
"personally love dogs and can care less about a human. I don't know why, but I do."
that this was the reason for shooting the dog. Those of us who understand the satire here on the other hand laugh at this. Not at the shooting of the dog, at the knowledge that people like you will be offended. Does that clear it up a bit? And by the way people like us too own and love dogs and cats
No. Understanding and laughing about it doesn't make you appreciate satire because is done in a way that has no wit whatsoever. Reminds me of Shyalaman's lady in the water in the sense that he made fun of film critics so when they destroyed his film it would be because "they didn't understand it" not because the movie was bad. In this case the manipulated person is you, who will feel like a smart human being to laugh because he knows people will be offended, it is an easy way to shock and make it a cult, but it overaims to be cult and it bothered me.
People who care more about dogs know why, it's obvious, dogs keep their innocence even if you treat them like *beep* they tend to still love you, humans grow up lose innocence pretty fast, they do bad things, they lie cheat steal etc. I feel bad when people die in real life, I don't mind when they die in movies unless they are well written lovable characters, a dog is always a dog, is not that complicated, it's always a random innocent dog, even when a dog kills is probably because he was trained to it, not because he wants to, trained by a human, a disgusting human.
But its things like this in films and make them great. off the top of my head, grave of the fire flys (cant be arsed to check if the title is right) kids die... great film.
i dont get why everyone is so shocked at this dog getting shot. it causes people to gasp and makes a reaction, thats good film making.
films that make you go "aww" can be good films but films that make you stop and go "sh*t" are better films.... in my eyes anyway.
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The dog is the director.
Reality is playing a rather nasty game.
Vanity unfair.
I think many people subconsciously understand that a dog is simply the result of his environment. You see it all the time: the mean dog with the a-hole master, and the nice, loving dog with the good master. Therefore, killing a good dog seems unfair to the audience... it has no way to prevent its death and doesn't know or understand the ire that's directed at him.
A human(at least an adult), on the other hand, has more power over the situation. We understand that there are evil people out there who would do such things as killing/murdering/raping/cheating, things that a dog is mostly incapable of. On these terms, it makes more sense to kill a human than a dog.
Just my 2cents,
Nazz
A human(at least an adult), on the other hand, has more power over the situation. We understand that there are evil people out there who would do such things as killing/murdering/raping/cheating, things that a dog is mostly incapable of. On these terms, it makes more sense to kill a human than a dog.
i agree
One unbreakable rule in film making:
Dogs or kids never get killed.
"One unbreakable rule in film making:
kids never get killed."
You never saw "¿Quién puede matar a un niño?" (1976)
Btw, this movie really sucked! like 90% of the new flicks...
correct me if im wrong but didnt the kid soldiers get killed in blood diamonds?? and the movie still did pretty well in the box office
sharecorrect me if im wrong but didnt the kid soldiers get killed in blood diamonds?? and the movie still did pretty well in the box office
They were Africans though, BIG DIFFERENCE by Hollywood standards. You could show a school full of Asian school children get gunned down and it still wouldn't be thought to be as shocking as one blonde haired blue eyed girl with glasses getting a slug in the head.
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They were Africans though, BIG DIFFERENCE by Hollywood standards. You could show a school full of Asian school children get gunned down and it still wouldn't be thought to be as shocking as one blonde haired blue eyed girl with glasses getting a slug in the head.*brilliant* !!
we could launch a Cinema Character Coefficient !!
in a brutal death scene, how many Asian school children would it take to equate the same effect with a blue-eye girl ?
how much if it were done with African kids ?
what adjustment if the kids were older ?
btw, how many African refugees for a white male super spy ?
and would an extra giraffe be fair exchange for the guy's labrador sidekick dying ??
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*applauds*
THAT was great!
this movie was so NOT about killing, just sad that some people can't take a look beyond that point *sighs*
Um, Assault on Precinct 13 (John Carpenter original)... blonde haired blue eyed girl approaches ice cream van and is promptly blown away by some guy with a magnum.
shareUm, Assault on Precinct 13 (John Carpenter original)... blonde haired blue eyed girl approaches ice cream van and is promptly blown away by some guy with a magnum.
Yeah, but that was to get the point across right away that ANYBODY could get it in that movie if they start off killing that type of character. Early Carpenter and Romero were rebels. AOP13 wasn't a commercial Hollywood film. Notice they left all that out in the remake.
In fact, the only genre you can kinda get away with killing a young child is certain horror movies. The first 10 minutes of the Dawn of the Dead remake comes to mind, but that was a special case. They killed off the blonde girl from Aliens in Alien 3, but it was off screen and her character was written out.
There are instances but on whole Hollywood doesn't do it unless they can cheat it somehow.
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wow...that was cruel,lol. on the other hand it's probably true
share"Pan's Labyrinth"
The greatest movie that kid gets killed.But don't know any real movie that dogs get killed
Hey, how bad could it be? The dog showed up at the premiere and got to walk the red carpet!
shareSean Penn gets killed five seconds later and nobody cares.
That's what's effed up.
- A point in every direction is the same as no point at all.
They killed a dog AND a kid in Planet Terror.
It's all about getting that reaction.
Of course, that's just my opinion.
Last Movie Seen: What Just Happened?
I don't remember do they show the kid killing himself in Planet terror? in the dvd cut I think they did.
Till that day - Joe Sarno
i agree with tallen...i have had a real problem with violence towards animals in film both tv and movies, for years. to me it shows a lack of creativity on the writers part and an easy emotion tug, when they can't think of anything else. in most cases it also is done in a way that is irrelevant to the script AND demonstrates a slight to animals in a time where there is too much of that in real life, basically it sends a bad message about how animals should be treated...in regards to this movie, it was odd to me that by showing the test audience the scene and having them appalled means the industry is aware that most of the public feels this way, yet, it is shown in the movie anyway. its hypocritical...additional issue i had is in the special feature "no animals were harmed..." the dog they interview is clearly a different dog than used in the film. the interview dog has a brown eye, blue eye and no spots on the ears. actor dog had spots and two dark eyes. where is the dog from the film? it makes me think producers don't think audiences are very bright or as the writer/producer basically stated in the making of feature, it doesn't matter what the audience thinks (his response to the nature of test screenings).
shareWow, you have such a good, boring heart. Your message makes me cry and yawn at the same time.
"it sends a bad message about how animals should be treated"
Yeah, that was the message of What Just Happenned: dogs should be shot.
"where is the dog from the film?"
They probably shot it for real.
If you love animals so much, go live with them.
- A point in every direction is the same as no point at all.
i'd rather live in a world with only animals. .. humans for the most part suck and are as stupid as your post.
shareYes, humans suck a lot. but that still doesnt explain how killing animal is worse than killing a human, be it in movie or not.
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If you lived in a world with only animals you would, by definition, not exist. Sounds good to me.
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"is the part where they kill the dog real????? "
That is single handedly the dumbest thing I have heard since the Director of Cannibal Holocaust was investigated for murdering his cast on screen.
"and if it is infact real then the director deserves to be shot and brutally tortured."
The irony, oh god, the irony.
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As the director of "Fiercely" himself points out, "Amores Perros" consists of litle else.
shareExactly. It's as simple as that. Thank you.
shareAre the 'Nightmare' and 'Friday the 13th' franchises based specifically around killing kids?
That was the point. Studio recognizes that the brutal killing of the dog would suck the air out of the room and there's no way the film can be released with this scene in the film without taking major flack from the viewers and causing it to bomb in theaters. Point is it IS F'ed up and the ensuing fight to get the "F'ed up" scene cut out of the movie highlights the never ending fight between a director's supposed artistic integrity and a studio's obligation to maximize box office profits.
shareIt was supposed to be funny because it was so over the top. I laughed my ass off.
Too bad it went over a lot of people's heads.
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I really dont know what the big fuss was about. I like dogs, but so what if the dog got shot? So people can die in films but not animals?
sharemy personal rule is: id rather see a kid die then an animal....a kid is sad devestating..skocking even disgusting...the movie is probably still good and i dont care what race the kid is...most cases (not all) when the animal gets killed im all set with the movie.
so ive had this movie on my netflix list...i see know reason to watch a dog get shot.
Talking about the Dog instead of the film, WTF is wrong with you people, this is exacly like in the Movie "What just Happened", you can do everything but as soon there is a dog geting killed or seen Dead all hell is breaking loose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Htt0jkqrtE
[Excuse my english im not Canadian/American/English/Australien/whatever...]