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Forehead 'stolen' from writer-creator


I heard investor promised 'creative control' but renegged last minute and is editing the movie with computer graphics. He wants DVD sale and all the money and does not care about theater.... not like last movie. I heard the investor is a private citizen and knows nothing about this type of movie....... or any movie, this is his first movie, thinks he knows best. Thes cannot be good news. I love Lost Sekelton of Cadavra really looked forward to this movie. Please post if you know more what happened.

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No!!!!!!! I hate people like this. This is big bad news. Is this true? I googled this and can not find anything. Help!

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Hm basically. "writer-creator" lost his dream film to a lawyer and a TV Producer. Bad blood here, chances theatrical diminishing. Wonder where my sympathies lie?

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I'm a bit embarrassed by this thread, because I think you "heard" it from me. Let me say, yes, things are awkward, and no, not out of control. Larry Blamire is by no means out of the picture (so to speak). And the movie -- what has been previewed in very limited fashion -- is basically the movie that will go to theaters... Yes, theaters. All the current "hitch" amounts is .... there may be a mildly different director's cut too.

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I'm not feeling better about this.

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Is it the same director or a new director? New producer? Chiodo FX or computer generated FX?

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Whoa, settle down, folks. The exec producer is a first-timer who doesn't understand that a rough cut is not a finished film and got a little nervous. No new director, no new effects house, just another pass at the Avid. As Max Bialystock says in THE PRODUCERS, "I'll let you know when it's time to panic."

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but didn't it "screen" already? is this "tinkering"?

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I think "rough cut" means Forehead screened thrice without having a final sound mix or color finishing. It is too well-known (sigh) that inexperienced folks (let's use the term already floated: "first-timers") psychologically do not separate rough edges or less-than-germane details from the internal integrity of a movie. Whole Hollywood books are written about it. Production and post were smooth, fast, under budget; results received side-splittingly by the entire cast, crew, important potential reps, and guest audiences, passionately unified in their (our) acceptance and satisfaction. Film came together swimmingly. It has been a rather idyllic family affair.

So what is "awkward" about things now? Trying to smooth over dog-ears in a way that makes everybody on the inside happy. It's a non-standard and emotional process. But any path that gets you there.... is the right one. Almost there.

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Okay your on the inside !!! I think I get it I'm with you. sounds like "The Office"

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Sort of.

The Office?

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define "got a little nervous"

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Somewhere between "serenity" and "Holy crap! We're all gonna die!" Seriously, it's as I said: she saw an un-color-corrected rough cut with a temp sound mix and very little foley and didn't understand that it's not the final version.

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so she threatened to take the movie but baccked off?

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No, she's still involved, but I don't know to what extent.

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I rather doubt that control was wrested from creator Blamire. His vision is generally much too strong for that to make any sense from the investor's standpoint.

However, if there was any tension of this kind in this situation, it is a clear indication of an executive producer who does not understand how to interpret a screenplay or view a rough-cut.

It is also indicative of the fact that the producer of the project did not perhaps fully understand that their primary job is/was to protect the vision of the director. Period. This includes protecting it through post-production and distribution, even if they may disagree with it.

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As it happens, I know both the producer and Larry, and they are on the best of terms. As I understand it, they've worked together on the final version of the film, and continue to work together on supplemental promo materials for the film. Larry's vision is thoroughly intact, and they are determined to make the release of the film a win/win for everyone - including, of course, Larry's fans, and soon-to-be fans.

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Do you know when we can expect this film to come out?

Hand puppets are down here.
Are you sure?
They're under the stairs, they aren't marionettes.

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Any chance you could ask either the producer or Larry for *some* idea on when we can expect to see this movie released?

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Have you been to the official website? I think you can send an email to the producers from there, to see if there's any distribution news. Let us know if you learn anything...

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Already did that. They said that it's still in post-production.

Hand puppets are down here.
Are you sure?
They're under the stairs, they aren't marionettes.

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Don't know when you checked with the producers, but the post-production was completed in August, this year, 2006. As far as I can tell, Screaming Forehead has been entered into Film Festivals, awaiting responses. Let me know if you hear something different.

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Yeah, I questioned them back in September. I might have misunderstood them.

Hand puppets are down here.
Are you sure?
They're under the stairs, they aren't marionettes.

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First timers... UGH!!!!!!!!!!!.... always a bad thing.... but we all gotta be first timers some time. ;) I think everyone who has ever done a film has dealt with people with limited experience, really getting paranoid about things they don't know about. Hopefully they can learn and GET BETTER at their jobs.....

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Waldo, thank you for the reassurances. I know crew and I do know that not everything has been rosey. Larry Blamire did in fact complete the movie himself at a rented studio, and then the investor *slash* first-time producer altered it, revising it once at Post Office Editorial in Los Angeles, and again months later at a facility near her home town in Washington state. The cast and crew have seen both versions and panned the altered cut. The investor re-scored the soundtrack, some of it with synthetic orchestral. Blamire originally completed the soundtrack with period music. The movie was re-edited twice, both times without the writer/director in the editing room and both times against his wishes. The revision is much shorter than Larry Blamire's movie. Several jokes as well as scenes considered too weird for mainstream have been removed. Special effects have been added.

There is something to consider here, and I hope people who have seen one or the other version (is there any way for the public to see Blamire's original?) can weigh in. It is fact that the investor gave creative control throughout the production phase (cast-crew will attest). I have not seen the movie, so I cannot honestly say thumbs up or down to the investor's "change of heart". If changing the movie was necessary, that means the original had problems. If it was not necessary (so say the cast), either way we have a Blamire movie shaped by the investor. Which is worse? What I am reading in this blog, though, gives me hope, that creator Blamire is on board with the revised version, and film festivals want to have it. *sigh* but no festivals near us!



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But think of the impact this will have on SCIENCE!!!

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