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Ok J, i know you know by now..


Who shot him, im to impatient to find out myself, and im behind on my reading.

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If you aren't absolutely sure, don't look.




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OK, it's under the tag.



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And J, I've seen some of your posts over on the website forum, but I'm still curious as to what you think of how GS turned out?


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thank you Chamber

Life is like a Parachute, you cannot really live through it without a harness.

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And J, I've seen some of your posts over on the website forum, but I'm still curious as to what you think of how GS turned out?



Well, it was an okay read. I like ghost stories, especially from the point of view of a sarcastic spectre. I like The Canterville Ghost and The Ghost and Mrs. Muir for starters.

However eight things about this novel bother me.

1. Jim Butcher has an obvious aversion and possibly even hatred of the idea of ghosts being actual souls. He clings to this ridiculous idea that when we die another entity (that happens to have all our memories and personality) is 'born' as our real soul goes elsewhere. I understand this theory in regard to residual hauntings of simple minded and repetitive ghosts but not the likes of Sir Stu who are obviously self-aware and learning and adapting to the time. It seems stupid to me that there should be two different non-corporeal beings released (one released and one created) at the time of death. This annoys me to no end. I know Harry IS Harry Dresden's soul but Jim Butcher makes ti clear that this sort of ghost is very, very rare. I loathe his ghost mythology, as someone who studies parapsychology I loathe it.

2. Sadly the book felt like filler. It seems someone could skip this and go right to Cold Days without missing much. Jim Butcher is stretching these books too thin just to milk out the series.

3. Harry doesn't ask enough questions. You have Murphy working WITH Marcone. You have all the heroes of Chicago working in a castle (that somehow only took six months to build) oh, and it has a prison! A supernatural prison should raise some red flags that someone has decided to become judge and jury for the supernatural world and it's not the council. Who is being held in Marcone's jail and why? Why doesn't Harry ask these things?!

4. We're not going to find out what happens with the sword for a long time. Jim Butcher is holding off until his apocalyptic finale but Michael didn't need an apocalypse to use his sword. His reasoning here does not make sense.

5. And finally, I'm a Thomas fan. He had TWO pages! In the whole book he had two pages in which he did his best emo / Eli from Let the Right one In impersonation. (I don't think he's going to let Justine break the love protection by the way, I think Justine did all that to get him to feed on the other girl. Justine's more clever than she lets on. She just force fed a vampire).

6. The White court vampires are not succubi and Inccubi. Since when!?

7. It took our PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR WIZARD far too long to realize that if he was destroyed as a spirit he would be destroyed utterly. I mean DUH! I thought that was a given. But we're more than half way through the book when he realizes this! Where'd he think he'd go if his soul's destroyed? Detroit?

8. It took Harry FAR too long to realize he caused his own death. First Lea tells him he shouldn't have gotten himself killed (she pretty much told him right there), then he's given several similar clues by Lea AND Molly. He was practically being hit in the head with the clue bat. And it's far fetched that no one even mentioned Thomas until near the end when Harry "died" ON HIS BOAT!

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I did like the over-all message of the story. I liked that it emphasized the consequences and rewards of free will and choice. I like the reminder that no one can take away a human's free will (even after mostly-dead death).

I liked Harry's ghostly abilities.

I loved Butter's use of the ghost box.

Butters was great in this, trying to help Aristode and the whole fake Wardens bit.

And I do love a story from a ghost's point of view even if the author has really bizarre issues against ghosts being souls of the dead and has inane theories about two different spiritual beings with the same memories rising from a body at the time of death (but somehow one's just a copy...). That's just stupid to me, especially if both are intelligent and aware. it doesn't make sense.




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Without giving away spoilers, I really didn't get the point of the main plot line.

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Without giving away spoilers, I really didn't get the point of the main plot line.


Harry had to learn the value of his own free will and the power of choices, the importance and appreciation of it. And that no one could take it away. It wasn't something Uriel could just tell him. He had to learn it through experience. Sort of like how Dorothy learns there's no place like home.




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Kinkaid under Harry's order.

Decided to give this a week or so before answering.



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Oh, one thing I forgot to mention, I am actually VERY happy that little Maggie ended up with the Carpenters. That's what I wanted since the end of CHanges.

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So am I. (Despite Mrs. Carpenter's errors in handling Molly) and I love even more that Mouse is with Maggie.

'crawl back into my hole' is it? Well, you can just go d** in a fire.

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I just hope if Maggie develops Magical abilities (which, let's face it, is very likely) Charity doesn't try to repress it. Let's hope she's FINALLY learned her lesson.


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That's what I hope as well. I like Charity as a character too much to want to see her try something that will put her directly at odds with Harry that way.

'crawl back into my hole' is it? Well, you can just go d** in a fire.

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Not me. I can't like someone stupid enough to do that to her own daughter. Think abou tit. She got in trouble because no one warned her about magick and her parents were in denial. Then she does the exact same thing to Molly in order to ...protect her from that happening... It's too stupid to forgive.




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J, you said something about the Ghost Box, what exactly were you referring to? IM kinda confused, because the TV show and the book refer to two different things that im thinking of or maybe i missed something in the end of the b ook?


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A ghost box is a modified radio that scans FM / AM and short wave. According to (believe it or not) Edison's theory this constant scanning might cause communication with beings / spirits in a different plane of existence. Butters used a modified radio of this type to hear Harry.

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Okay thanks for clarifying, I thought thats what you meant thanks.

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There were things bugging me about Ghost Story, but I couldn't really articulate all of it. You nailed all my complaints quite clearly.

I'm not sure what I was expecting after Changes, which was epic, but Ghost Story wasn't quite it. A bit disappointed but not not enough to quit reading. I am anxious to see where he's going with all of this. I hope it lives up to the hype in my mind. LOL.

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If for nothing else, Ghost Story was worth reading for Uriel's "ghost of christmas present" bit.

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