is it fake or what!?


is this thing for real? i mean, seriously, this is all a hoax right? there is no way anyone would ever listen to that guy. i kept wondering how they made his makeup so convincing to make the actor playing scott walker older or younger, and how they got all these stars to talk about him so glowingly, and how they recorded all these terrible songs. How have i never heard of scott walker, or his terrible singing voice? and why can't i find anything on the internet that admits this whole thing is fake? i feel like im going crazy!

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You are going crazy, don't worry about it.

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I second the motion that you are crazy. You have a problem with industrial music? The avant garde is supposed to be in front of you, not behind you: that's the point.

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from another RyanCalum post on the film "Eye of the Beholder" - the only other film he has commented on:

"i thought that ewans macgregors coat was awesome in this movie, and wonder where he got it. he wore another cool coat, kind of similar but blue, in the movie 'little voice'. man, where does this guy find his coats??"

I ask you, do you exit, RyanCalum? You are clearly a hoax, right? No one could be this interested in Ewan MacGregor's coat and that unmoved by Scott Walker's music. All these terribly insignificant comments...how have I never heard of RyanCalum?

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LOL

"I'm aroused and confused."

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Whaahaahaa!!

"All those moments, will be lost in time like tears in rain..."

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there is no way anyone would ever listen to that guy. How have i never heard of scott walker, or his terrible singing voice?


You're right, no one listens to him, and no one ever has. We all only listen to something equidistantly styled between Brittney Spears, Korn and Kanye West. Just like you.
Anything else that you have never heard of must be a lie. Put your head deeper into the sand, it's quieter there, and less confusing.

"All those moments, will be lost in time like tears in rain..."

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LOL your totally right.....ahh kids on the block :P

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I agree entirely with the original poster. I dont understand what anyone sees in this music.

late for the sky

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Swearjar wrote "I dont understand what anyone sees in this music"

How about originality, surprise, fear, beauty, drama and the darkness and light within the human soul.
That's what I see in it, anyway. All qualities that good and lasting art should possess.

The moments when he takes me from terror to beauty and back again are the best.

Please, listen to "Tilt" 10 times, and then tell us that you get nothing out of it.
I bet it will do something to you! Better yet, listen to Scott Walker back to back with Britney.
Now that would be a beautifully fearful experience!
LOL

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As someone who remembers The Walker Brothers I can assure you Scott is no fake. However the film does occasionally slip into pseuds corner which always afflicts any arty film.

Scott is a true enigma and as far out on the left field as you can possibly get. I missed his work in 70s/80s simply because he was the as cool as volcano and seemed an old crroner stuck in the mid sixties. But he never was that and like the Beatles changed into something far more complex and interesting if barely commercial. His lack of formal classical training means he isn't going to be played on Radio 3 or asked to write a new piece for the Proms.

More's the pity. Scott still languishes in an underserved obscurity this film at least tries to illuminate.

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Just watched the documentary as I liked Scotts voice on numerous hit songs.
The guy is now totally bonkers and it is against Trades Description act to call his warbling music anymore.
The man isnt enigmatic he is just trading on his name but it seems not everyone got taken in by this loonie...reminds me a bit of the story The Emporors clothes.
Shame on Bowie for conning networks into showing this pretentious crap about a sad hasbeen who has nothing to offer.

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Bullsh(t! Go and buy a greatest hits cd then.
As for me-
Scott Walker has balls and an amazing amount to offer-he's out there on his own making interesting stuff instead of singing 'The sun ain't gonna shine anymore' for the thousandth time or signing up with Pepsi/Barclaycard/etc etc and being a sad old git like so many of the 60's lot.
I'm gonna buy all his albums after seeing it and buy Walker brother's 1977 album 'NiteFlights' which I didn't know about and sounded amazing.

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all these negative posts just make me feel pity. Its a pity that people are missing out.

"The man isnt enigmatic he is just trading on his name" - paulshancox

I think that this statement is short-sighted, or just plain dumb. what artist doesn't trade on their name?

I have problems with the documentary but not with Scott Walker as a musician. Of course i don't think he's for everyone...

I also think its funny that people are knocked sideways by his sound. He still can polarise opinion - isn't that reason enough for him to continue?

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Hey! I liked Scott when he made records that were musical.
No Regrets is still one of my favourite tracks.
Scott obviously started beleiving the hype when someone labelled him enigmatic.
As he had nothing to offer ie no new songs worth bothering about he started to wear cloaks and hats to make himself look a bit interesting and mysterious but instead made himself look a complete loony.
That film just about put the final nail in his coffin....pretentious garbage just about sums up his ludicrous *singing*
The guy is 65 for chrissakes ..why dont he release his greatest hits again for all who remember him when he made music.

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What is pretension? More than often, when I read the word "pretentious" it is used by somebody to describe something that is outside their frame of experience. It is a defensive word and, I feel, a rather sad one in this contest.

To dismiss Scott Walker's more recent work as "pretentious garbage" on the criteria that it isn't as obviously melodic or accessible as "No Regrets" -- a song neither written by Walker, nor song with much conviction -- is akin to dismissing most classical music on the grounds that it's not as easy to whistle as a Britney Spears tune.

I'm not particularly keen on "The Drift" but it is certainly music. And, as for "Tilt", it's a record I can only listen to once a year as its emotional punch is so severe. But you simply can't dismiss it is garbage. It's too complex, too rich and deliberate. It's not pretty, it's not *nice* but it's bloody good.

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When you typed that were you wearing your cloak and baseball cap?

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I wouldn't bother getting the album, unless you particularly like the sleeve art. Only the four Scott Walker compositions are of any interest: "Shutout" "Fat Mama Kicks" "Nite Flights" and "The Electrician". All these can be bought separately on iTunes.

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mail-4952-I completely agree with your replies to that small minded other poster-cheers,I'll give the album a miss and get the tracks sepoerately.

watch my band's video-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTpYKfppC3g

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Small minded? just because I think Scott Walker is a candidate for the looney bin?
You get them tracks play them and hopefully you will have a profound and deeply moving experience which will take you to even greater heights of banal boring objectivity....if that is possible

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Uh, it's The Emperor's NEW Clothes (Emperor with an "e" not an "o") and bravo for picking the most obvious and overused phrase in the English language to describe the work of a great man going out on a limb, taking a chance, and daring to walk naked before his detractors. Brilliant. Or, we can just sit behind our computers at 3:45 am and throw dung at a message board. "pretentious", yeah right. Keep shouting into the wind you sad sacks. Scott's reportedly working on a new album. Maybe there will be a sequel. But what I'll be waiting for are all the brave, brilliant, illuminating and life changing comments from down here in the crapper. Or do you have something better to offer?



Thought not.

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I am sure you do not. Go back to sleep.

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I defy anyone who knows anything about music to seriously call Farmer In The City "just noise".

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from another RyanCalum post on the film "Eye of the Beholder" - the only other film he has commented on:

"i thought that ewans macgregors coat was awesome in this movie, and wonder where he got it. he wore another cool coat, kind of similar but blue, in the movie 'little voice'. man, where does this guy find his coats??"

I ask you, do you exit, RyanCalum? You are clearly a hoax, right? No one could be this interested in Ewan MacGregor's coat and that unmoved by Scott Walker's music. All these terribly insignificant comments...how have I never heard of RyanCalum?
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you really are clever. so very clever. but your taste in music is unbearably rotten.







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yeah, you're right. i've got to stop listening to those old Take That cassingles. Breaks me heart to chuck 'em though. As for the clever bit, please, tell me something i don't know. (come on, please.)

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By kingdazy
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You're right, no one listens to him, and no one ever has. We all only listen to something equidistantly styled between Brittney Spears, Korn and Kanye West. Just like you.
Anything else that you have never heard of must be a lie. Put your head deeper into the sand, it's quieter there, and less confusing.
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actually, if i had heard him on the radio, i wouldnt have questioned if he was real or not. but after watching a two hour movie praising his 'genius' i had to think something was up, since I had never heard of him or heard any of his songs. and how the hell do you know what kind of music i listen to? just because I dont like some lunatic's music i must be a philistine, right? who's head is really in the sand?

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You have to know who is mad in order to not be mad.

I’m not mad because he/she’s mad over there look.

Everyone’s mad except me.

You’re mad because you’re an idiot. I’m an idiot because I’m mad.

We’re the same you see?

And Scott Walker makes music/art for a living.

Like it.

Don’t like it.

It’s just the language of the cosmic unconsciousness.

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Is that crap from one of Walkers *songs* ?

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Songs?

You're complicated.

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ok RyanCalum
What music do you like. And why the hell are you posting on this board if you dont like him. I dont like many bands, does not mean im gonna post crap on there threads. The only way i would do that is if i was craving for attention. So, what music do you like?

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You're right, no one listens to him, and no one ever has. We all only listen to something equidistantly styled between Brittney Spears, Korn and Kanye West. Just like you.
Anything else that you have never heard of must be a lie. Put your head deeper into the sand, it's quieter there, and less confusing.


Well spake!!!




"It's just a movie" is no excuse for treating us like idiots!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwRqc0KSkJ0

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I am enjoying it more as a mockmentary than as a documentary.

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Scott Walker is an incredible talent with fierce intelligence and integrity. And what a voice! But his music since the Tilt seems to be more about exorcising personal demons than creating moving and memorable songs for a broader audience.

I certainly don't want to put him in the hell of playing his greatest hits for the rest of his life, but the atonal seriality of his music now makes all the songs begin to sound the same - it has to do with the actual physiology of our ears and how we hear melody and intervals, i.e., fifths, fourths, octaves, major/minor keys, etc. ... that allow us to remember songs and their emotional shadings. Atonality ultimately all melds into one for our ears ... please do not dismiss this as a lack of sophistication ... it is related to how our ears are actually constructed, not some dominant paradigm bullcrap.

That said, I found this documentary to a riveting and inspiring documentary about an astonishing artist.

I hope he makes his way back to making his beautiful tonal ballads again ... his voice, those key changes ...

I didn't realize what a huge influence he was on David Bowie until I saw this documentary, also.

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I expected this kind of crap from people - I hoped I wouldn't but there you go. That's what happens in this sad little planet when people create something that actually challenges you, that has the gall to say, no I'm not going to give you what you want. Before I listened to Tilt and someone described the music and the ideas behind it to me, I probably would have said, no I don't want to listen to that. But once you actually get over your dear little obsessions with easiness and accessibility, wonderful things happen to you: you find yourself feeling things you haven't experienced before or reevaluated what you used to think.
When I listen to a song like 'Farmer in the City' I find it staggering someone can't be moved by that, or the shimmering brass in the middle of 'Patriot (a single)'.

Then again, we have already ascertained that people are galactically, athletically stupid. That's fine. I'll keep Scott's incredible music to myself. Keep running to the middle, the rest of you. You'll find it nice and comfortable and docile while the rest of us are getting kicks from things you aren't even capable of imagining.

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When I first saw this, I knew that people unfamiliar with Scott might think that this was some "The Rutles" style mockumentary.
Your feelings pretty much some up the reasons that no one knows of him. Scott ain't for everyone. Like Jazz... you either get it, or you don't. I don't know anyone who is indifferent on the subject.

"What rotten sins I've got working for me. I suppose it's the wages." -Bedazzled (1967)

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I THOUGHT THE SAME THING! It felt like an amazing inside joke. I was more entertained thinking of how they got all these celebrities to play along!!

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I kinda had the opposite reaction. I felt like Walker's music was so fantastic that I wondered how he wasn't more well-known.

****The Spite House****

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He is art, you are not.

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If you don't like it then move on. Seriously. Music is entirely subjective anyway. One man's trash is another's gold. There's a ton of artists and bands that are revered that I personally don't get... and never will.

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