So Lucas proved Hollywood exec correct that it would be a huge flop?
or will he shift the blame to the racist world now for his crappy film flopping?
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I think you can count on it. Just look around on this board. The proof is here.
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He started throwing the race card around before the film even opened.
He started throwing the race card around before the film even opened.
Sorta. He said that many producers would not fund this all-black movie because they thought it would lose money. Some interpreted that to mean he said they were racists, which he never said. They just did not want to lose money. They were correct, by the way.
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Yep. Movie studios hate to spend $60 million on a movie that makes only $50 million domestic box office.
On the other hand, spending $210 million on BATTLESHIP, for $60 million domestic box office...brilliant.
Battleship has made $250 Million overseas (mostly in Asia). Red Tails made nothing overseas.
shareMost of that $250 million doesn't come back to the studio. You may be in denial about what a huge flop BATTLESHIP is, (much bigger than RED TAILS), but even with the overseas box office the people who actually know something about the business in LA have already faced the fact that it is. To the tune of much more than $60 million.
And then we can talk about JOHN CARTER...
That's incorrect. The filmmaker gets a bit more than half of the money from the international box office.
And I never said Battleship wasn't a flop. I just pointed pointed out that it did well overseas, which it did, and that Red Tails made nothing overseas. These are facts, live with it.
The fact is John Carter, Battleship AND Red Tails were all FLOPS.
I have not seen Battleship but I have seen John Carter and Red Tails and John Carter was a better film. The ratings of the two films at IMDb seem to agree with me.
The fact is that JOHN CARTER and BATTLESHIP were much bigger flops than RED TAILS, with or without the foreign box office. So this idea that Hollywood execs are somehow smart because they didn't back RED TAILS when they DID back JOHN CARTER and BATTLESHIP is just laughable.
By the way, ALL those films will eventually make their money back through DVD and pay-TV sales. But for those who actually work in the industry, there's no question which two of the three movies mentioned are the truly "huge flops". And I'll give you a hint: it ain't RED TAILS.
I don't think RED TAILS was a great movie, by the way. It was merely OK. And I actually thought JOHN CARTER was a better movie too, although not by much. I am responding to the OP's heading, which is nonsensical when you consider how many film the Hollywood execs have greenlit over the years that are worse flops than RED TAILS.
FCGHis claim was that he had already funded the film and all he needed was a distributor.
Sorta. He said that many producers would not fund this all-black movie because they thought it would lose money.
Second, the argument is a false dichotomy. Distributor won't back a film so they must be rayyyyyycist. Oh bulls--t. They didn't want to back this film as they've seen the results of other g.l productions (howard the duck), and how bad this film is.
Some interpreted that to mean he said they were racists, which he never said.Again, Bulls--t. That is exactly what he said.
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Sorta. He said that many producers would not fund this
Waiiit just a second. GL claimed this was fullly paid for. I'm not letting him weasel out of his ongoing lies.
According to his own words, nobody had to spend a dime. share
Being a STAR WARS fan and one who went into this simply because of Lucasfilm, it's just gotten kind of hard to defend the company/the man. This movie could have easily been so much more. There could have been a more epic approach, a different director hired, and an avoidance of the now-tired "Saturday matinee serials tone" excuse Lucas claims, AND characters who weren't arrogant nutcases. At first I thought it would have been restricted because of there already being a well-known TV movie about the Tuskegee Airmen, but it turns out it was restricted by Lucas's attempt at the selling point of trying to prove something against bigots when ultimately the problem was his script and limited intentions.
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I agree, this should've been more and instead its just a way to kill an evening nothing more nothing less, its ok but like you said this could've been great.
I'm still of two minds when it comes to watching this movie.
I just don't trust George Lucas after the Star Wars prequel movies, I don't trust his writing, production or direction and I don't think I'm the only one that feels like that. I have a funny feeling that if "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" came out under his writing, producing and direction, it would have been a lot slower to reach the billion dollar mark.
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