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American Idiot: Overrated or Overplayed?


I saw a similar question on the boards for Led Zeps the Song Remains the Same over Stairway to Heaven. What do you think?

Overrated in my opinion.

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It is a solid album, not as good as nimrod, but good. It is over played, four *beep* singles, a dvd, and now a movie. aswell i dispise all of these 12-14 year old fans who only heard of green day as a result of American Idiot. I personaly hope that their next album is a complete flop, thus forcing them to play 3000-5000 person venues.

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overplaaaayed! i love the album, not my favorite, but still very good in my opinion, and i wouldn't have such a problem with all the singles if it weren't for the teenies =[

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I completely concur with everything you said. It's a good album when it's not being shoved down your throat every hour on the radio and TV. I haven't been able to listen to it a lot lately because I don't want to get to the point where I hate the songs because I've heard they're so overplayed. If you just avoid it for a while and then go back and listen to them, it's really a great album. Not their best or my favorite, but still a great album nonetheless.

I also hope that their next album is a flop so that only the true fans will still listen to them. If I have to listen to one more squealing little girl tell me how hot Billie Joe is, I think I'm going to hurt myself...

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ahh... the reason I no longer listen to the radio
All of my sister's little 12 year old friends used to talk about Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Holiday, etc... like it was amazing. I asked them like 2 months later if they still liked them and they denied ever liking them.
Also, when I told them Billie Joe had a wife and two kids and that Mike and Tré had both been married, and Mike has a kid and Tré 2, they suddenly went off them.
Coincidence? I think not.
at least now most of the hubb-ub about AI is going down. I've been noticing less teenies at school walking up to me and slobbering over Billie Joe and my binder which has a Green Day picture on it. And not knwoing either Mike or Tré.

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You people are horrible! If you were true fans of a band you wouldn't want them to fail miserably! Whatever happens, their next album will no way top AI in popularity but there's no need to wish for it to bomb. I doubt the teenies will return in such mass numbers whether it does or doesn't.

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You people are horrible! If you were true fans of a band you wouldn't want them to fail miserably! Whatever happens, their next album will no way top AI in popularity but there's no need to wish for it to bomb. I doubt the teenies will return in such mass numbers whether it does or doesn't.


I agree! so what if they play it alot u can just turn it over! and ye the teenies r anoying but so what you can still enjoy the album, and i hope there next 1 dus well

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thankyou rachael I'm so glad someone agrees with me!!



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It is overplayed, and i hate all those people that just jumped onthe band wagon, but all of that aside i think the cd is fantastic, not all for the music but for what it is. the story is actually why I bought it the first week, it intrigued me greatly.

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"You people are horrible! If you were true fans of a band you wouldn't want them to fail miserably! Whatever happens, their next album will no way top AI in popularity but there's no need to wish for it to bomb. I doubt the teenies will return in such mass numbers whether it does or doesn't."

so, disliking a bands popularity makes a person "horrible". Please, don't lecture a person on what it means to be a "true fan" your odiviously someone who has just recently jumped on the gd bandwagon. Secondly, i hope its a great album, i just hope nobody under the age of oh say 15 purchases it.

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So what there are fans of 15? Get used to the fact that there are fans (big shock)... does it matter? If you like the music and the band then it shouldn't matter, right?

If there are any mistakes, I'm sorry, I'm not English.

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belficat's a frickin genious

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hey!!! u don't have to be 12-14 to have just found out bout Green Day through American Idiot, I'm 18, but I listen to the earlier Green Day songs too. If it's good music u want other ppl to hear it so that they can enjoy it also. just cuz ur a new fan doesn't mean ur not a real fan! and one more thing, there r lots n lots of old fans that think Billie Joe is hot, n u know why?, cuz he is, it's a fact.

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Well said!!

"I don't understand what Billie just said,so I'll talk about chickens."-Tre Cool

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how can you day that most young fans only herd of green day as a result of american idiot??? i am 15 years old and i havebeen listening to green day for as long as i can remember!!! i started listening to dookie when i was 5 years old, my Dad boiught the CD and i loved it!!!!!

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why are you replying to a thread thats been inactive for days?

repeat offenders account for most of youth crime

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There are many kids that think they're Green Day fans because they like American Idiot

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ooh that would be good...

ps im 12 && i think AI sucks

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How bout now, now that those 12-14 year old fans are now 17-21 years old? Just cause I heard American Idiot(which, btw, I loved. Saw the Broadway version, it was awesome!) first does not mean that I didn't listen to all their old albums! I listened to Dookie, Nimrod, Warning, Shenanigans, Kerplunk!, Insomniac, and even 1039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours! Do you "dispise" me as well? Also, It doesn't look like 21st CB was a flop, so you're outta luck. Sorry, mate.

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Both.

This is my signature. AREN'T YOU EXCITED?!

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ya, i'd love to see Green Day put out warning part 2, and to see how many 10-14 year olds would buy it if they put out a song like macy's day parade as the first single.

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Defiantly overplayed. It's amazing how popular they came with a new make over.

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'so, disliking a bands popularity makes a person "horrible". Please, don't lecture a person on what it means to be a "true fan" your odiviously someone who has just recently jumped on the gd bandwagon. Secondly, i hope its a great album, i just hope nobody under the age of oh say 15 purchases it.'

If you really like a band, you would be happy for them. Unless you're one of those people who think it's only cool to like bands no one else has heard of. I personally don't care if a band is popular or not but I would NEVER wish for a band to fail just because I have this problem with me not being one of their only fans. I bought American idiot along time ago and have since bought their other stuff and learnt alot more about this band and I believe I'm a true fan but I don't have to prove my worthiness to you, but I have liked this band for a long time now. And I am over 15 for your information and really do not give a damn about people under 15 purchasing it because if it shows them what true music is and brings them away from all the rap crap out these days I can't see anything wrong with that.

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""If you really like a band, you would be happy for them. Unless you're one of those people who think it's only cool to like bands no one else has heard of."
I personally don't care if a band is popular or not but I would NEVER wish for a band to fail just because I have this problem with me not being one of their only fans. I bought American idiot along time ago and have since bought their other stuff and learnt alot more about this band and I believe I'm a true fan but I don't have to prove my worthiness to you, but I have liked this band for a long time now. And I am over 15 for your information and really do not give a damn about people under 15 purchasing it because if it shows them what true music is and brings them away from all the rap crap out these days I can't see anything wrong with that. "


congrats, do you feel better now for printing this cliched rant of what a being a "true fan" is?

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This is a really stupid argument. I've liked Green Day for 14 years and I think that Warning was the worst album they've ever done (some of the songs are exceptional (Warning, Waiting, Church On Sunday and Misery) but on the whole they were not up to their usual standard.)

If they'd released a rehash of Warning, or a Warning part 2 as you put it, then they might as well have given up.

As it is, much as I dislike Warning, it was an important step *towards* American Idiot which is a far superior and cohesive album. The experimentation of Warning was a logical evolution from the branching out of Nimrod and it naturally led to AI.

Sure, 10-14 year olds probably wouldn't buy Warning part 2, but likely neither would anyone else since it would be a complete and utter rehash of something that did not gel all that well in the first place.

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"This is a really stupid argument. I've liked Green Day for 14 years and I think that Warning was the worst album they've ever done (some of the songs are exceptional (Warning, Waiting, Church On Sunday and Misery) but on the whole they were not up to their usual standard.)

If they'd released a rehash of Warning, or a Warning part 2 as you put it, then they might as well have given up.

As it is, much as I dislike Warning, it was an important step *towards* American Idiot which is a far superior and cohesive album. The experimentation of Warning was a logical evolution from the branching out of Nimrod and it naturally led to AI.

Sure, 10-14 year olds probably wouldn't buy Warning part 2, but likely neither would anyone else since it would be a complete and utter rehash of something that did not gel all that well in the first place."



well that is your oppinion, however idiotic it sounded. i would certainly purchas such an album, it does not matter how many albums an artist sells. I'm sorry that you couldn't apprechate Warning, perhaps it was because it wasn't the traditional pop-punk sound that green day is famous for. Lyrically it was the most emotional of gd's albums, not to mention how layered many of the songs were.

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Lyrically, it is not as good as American Idiot. Billie Joe has progressed as a lyricist with each album and other than 3 of the 4 songs I mentioned I fail to see how Warning was more emotional than Disappearing Boy or Extraordinary Girl. I fail to see how the Brechtian styling of Misery is any different in its layers and experimentation than Jesus of Suburbia or Homecoming - other than the popularity, or lack thereof.

And no, since pop-punk is not the only genre of music I listen to it has *beep* all to do with tradition.

It is, as you say, opinion, but I do wonder how you can claim the emotion and multi-layers of Warning and yet in the same breath slam American Idiot.

"it does not matter how many albums an artist sells."

Really? Are you sure about that? Why are you so pissed about the popularity of AI then?

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'congrats, do you feel better now for printing this cliched rant of what a being a "true fan" is?'

well, sorry for having an opinion but it pisses me off to no extent when I hear crap like, 'I hope Green Day's next album is crap so there will be no more teenies' because it's plain stupid. It the next albums crap then you're going to suffer just as much as you won't have a great album to listen to. I don't care if you're a true fan, I don't know you, never will, never will meet you and probably won't remember your existence come next week, but I think that someone has to say something to stop all this stupid bashing. Its not a bands fault they're popular.

and what I said may sound cleched but so does what you're saying, so please don't be such a hypocrite.

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May I ask to whom you meant to respond? Because it came to my inbox. I really wish people would click 'Reply' to the person they mean to reply to. Makes threads much easier to follow AND has the added bonus of the person that you want to read it reading it.

Unless you were responding to me, in which case... WTF?

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no, I'm really sorry, I have no idea why that went to YOUR inbox!! I was replying to whoever I was arguing with up there. sorry!!

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No problem :) Must have been a glitch on the board.

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"well, sorry for having an opinion but it pisses me off to no extent when I hear crap like, 'I hope Green Day's next album is crap so there will be no more teenies' because it's plain stupid. It the next albums crap then you're going to suffer just as much as you won't have a great album to listen to. I don't care if you're a true fan, "

last word on the subject, i didn't hope that their next cd was "crap", but rather a commercial flop.


"and what I said may sound cleched but so does what you're saying, so please don't be such a hypocrite"

no it doesnt, i didn't state that they were sell outs, which would be a standard responce, but that their next record doesn't sell so well, i hadly consider that to be cliched.

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"I didn't hope that their next cd was "crap", but rather a commercial flop."

But I thought you said it doesn't matter how many albums an artist sells...

... just so long as they don't sell too many, right?

It's just about as clichéd as you can possibly get - the poor disgruntled fan bemoaning the loss of his exclusive little band and ranting about the "good old days". It's a shame you're about 11 years too late for this rant.

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" good their getting the recognition they deserve but, its not green day...if you no what i mean. look at old pictures of the band when they couldnt give a flying *beep* what they were wearing, or how their hair was, then look at the american idiot era, and well, you'l see a difference.

god, i hope they put out an album that sucks to the critics and newbies, but the fans that have been there since smoothed out slappy hours like"

I agree

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I have a huge problem with a lot of what you people are saying.

I have been a Green Day fan since Dookie.

I love almost (almost) every one of their songs they have ever put out.

American Idiot expands on their previous work musically and intellectually. If you listen to it and break it down musically it has many layers and goes places muscially that they have not gone before. Just the fact that there are 2 9 minutes songs on the album, and it is still considered punk is simply amazing. The bold social statements in the lyrics and the powerfull emotions conveyed are astonishing. This album is a masterpiece no matter what age listens too it. My dad is 50, he called me and told me that he bought it and it his new favorite album....that's quite incredible to me (esp. if you knew my dad)

the fact that they CAN appeal to such a wide variety of people (10 year old girl to 50 year old men) means that they are doing something RIGHT.

If you stop, and think, you'll see

Just because it is played of the radio all the time doesn't mean it's overplayed....what would you rather hear? 50cent talking into a microphone about naked girls in candyshops?

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ok i'm not trying to start a fight or anything but...

"and it is still considered punk is simply amazing. The bold social statements in the lyrics and the powerfull emotions conveyed are astonishing"

i can think of more then half a dozen albums off of the top of my head with "bold social statements"

"Just because it is played of the radio all the time doesn't mean it's overplayed?"

actually i belive it does.

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''i can think of more then half a dozen albums off of the top of my head with "bold social statements" ''

how many of them are green day? or punk?


''actually i belive it does. ''

It is over played but his other point rings true - I'd much rather hear good music overplayed than crap music.


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"or punk?"

ok heres a list,

bad religion-Empire Strikes First
Propagandhi - Potemkin City Limits
nofx -war on errorism
anti flag- the terror state
DOA- Live Free or Die
rage against the machine - battle for los angelous
pennywise- from the ashes
rise against- siren song of the counter culture
Operation Ivy - Energy
the exploited - Beat the Bastards
the dead kennedys - Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death

i could keep going.....


"It is over played but his other point rings true - I'd much rather hear good music overplayed than crap music"

i disagree, of course its all a matter of opinion however, when a good song is overplayed it loses its value.

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Excuse me you can shut up! So what if I only heard of Green Day when American Idiot came out!!
Now I listen to their older stuff it has made me realise that there is so some amazing music out there that beats anything in the charts today which I wouldn't have known if Green Day wasn't popular!!
I have now bought some of their older stuff and personally prefer it over AI as well so don't act like all new fans are idiots and only like them because of AI as I sure do not. If you were real fans you would be happy for people to join you in supporting Green Day so don't be such jerks!!

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I do hate those terms "real fan" or "true fan"

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I didn't just hear of Green Day when A.I. came out, but that is when I started to like them. Since I have bought most of the older albums, and much prefer the older stuff. Though A.I. is also an excellent album in itself.
I agree totally with lilykirby, and that you should just be happy more people are liking Green Day.
This band always makes an excellent album, and if you have seen them live, you will know they put on one hell of a show.
Too bad if its overplayed, when people like it, it is always going to be overplayed.

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'I do hate those terms "real fan" or "true fan" '

prefer the terms teenie bopper or tweenie or single whore or labelling all fans ages 12-14 as people who only like Green Day because they're poplar now?

As someone said above (quite rudley but i still agree) lets drop this. It's stupid and we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't like it when poeple group new fans of Green Day in such bad ways but then there are those who equally don't like that there are new fans.

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"prefer the terms teenie bopper or tweenie or single whore or labelling all fans ages 12-14 as people who only like Green Day because they're poplar now? "

I dislke the terms "tennie bopper" or "tweenie"


"As someone said above (quite rudley but i still agree) lets drop this. It's stupid and we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't like it when poeple group new fans of Green Day in such bad ways but then there are those who equally don't like that there are new fans. "

Get off of your high horse, its alright to critize a band.


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I really don't want to reply to this but I have to clear this up.

'Get off of your high horse, its alright to critize a band'

I never said there is anything wrong with critising a band. I do it alot. I just hate it when a band is critised because of its fans. Or people constantly critisise fans. Or people want a band to fail because of their fans.

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'get off your high horse'

thats rich coming from you
Belficat is right!! it is stupid when bands are critized beacause of their fans. That is what you are doing. Why should they be critized. if it was not for fans Green Day wouldn't have been heard before or be famous, and if you don't want them to be famous you are not a true fan like me. Like you said

get off your high horse

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Nice CD's! I agree with you too. Even if it's a good song, if it's played over and over and over again, you won't want to hear it ever again. It's a pity really...

"Fire always makes it better"

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I think that American Idiot is just overplayed. The first Green Day song I ever heard was "Good Riddance(Time of Your Life)" and I loved it. Later on I heard "When I Come Around" and a few other songs, all of which I liked. Last winter when "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" was released as a single I really enjoyed it because I could relate so well to it(now however I do think it's overplayed, but it's still a good song). My radio station started playing new and old Green Day songs a lot more and I was like, "Wow these guys are really awesome." so I decided to buy one of their albums. I, however, did not buy American Idiot first, I bought Dookie. Later on I bought International Superhits and then American Idiot. I now also have Nimrod and Shenanigans(my favorite Green Day album), and after Christmas I plan on buying all of their other albums.

American Idiot may have reeled in teenies, which yes are annoying, but it also helped people like me see how awesome of a band Green Day really is. If American Idiot would've never came out and became popular I probably would've never became a fan. I mean, come on, I'm 15, so I was about 4 when Dookie came out. My parents listened to country music when I was a kid, there was no way I could've known Green Day was out there! They were around before I was born, I mean I didn't come out of my mom crying for Green Day. It just didn't happen that way. So I wouldn't say all new fans are bad, I'm really happy to be fan...and I don't just like them because they're "hot." Yes, they are attractive, but I liked them when I heard them, not when I saw them.

Anyhow, whether there next album is a sucess or a flop I'll be a fan. And as long as Billie, Mike, and Tre are happy with what they're doing, I am too.

As for them being overrated? I think not, they're all incredibly talented and their music is amazing, and that's coming from my musician side, not my fan side.

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I certainly don't think the album is overrated! I think it's amazing.

I got into Green day cause of A.I. I hate the fact that this seems to make me a bad fan!! I own all their albums now and thanks to them I have got into bands like Op Ivy. I don't think there should be a time limit or an age limit to when you can become a fan of a band. Ok... I was very late discovering good music... but better late than never!

Ogi Ogi Ogi Oi Oi Oi

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I really love them, but yeah a little overrated.
I've been a fan for years.

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i think that true gd fans are kinda mad cause their
not punx dirty little secret anymore. and it seems now if you like them,you are just jumping on the bandwgon. i hate american idiot for the simple fact it
isn't punk and that these little teeny boppers think they are so cool cause they own a green day cd. (rolls eyes) WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPEEEEEEEEEEEE!
YOU ARE OFFICALLY A CONFORMIST! let's face it, green day's credibility has gone to hell.
i DO hope their next album fails and they get their real fans back.

well,as they say in the Tampon biz, see you next period.

RIP RICHARD PRYER

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Wait, wait, wait... "Punx little secret?" They haven't been a secret since the days of Dookie or even Kerplunk!. I didn't think they were punk either, unless you call all bands who use the three chord styling of the Ramones "punk."

Personally, I don't see a huge problem with jumping on a bandwagon, as long as you stick with a band. The teeny-boppers who will only stick with a band, only until their fifteen minutes of fame are up are annoying, but they'll fade away once liking Green Day has stopped being the trend. Fans, whenever they get introduced to the band, will stick out both the successes and failures. It's shouldn't matter.

Yeah, American Idiot has been overplayed, but that's why there's an option on my stereo that lets me listens to CD's or change the channel. You don't have to only listen to the radio.

Later!

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i think greenday's songs like american idiot and boulevard of broken dreams are overplayed a bit but i still reckon greenday are amazing. they are not sell outs. they are popular!!!! i still really love greenday and i always will i have american idiot, dookie, international superhits, and warning and bullet in a bible and i think they are al amazin!!

theyre just overplayed in my opinion

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I like that green day is popular. It makes me popular. You should see me in school. Everybodys like, 'how was your weekend?' - oh, single serving friends. go away, when green day goes back to punk. I think that its so *beep* ironic that AI became this massive thing. The basic message of the cd is *beep* you, mainstream, im a real boy!' - plus, just let i go, man. once *beep* p diddy makes a new record, all the little groupies will be gone. back to compton, bitchez.

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hahahahah...sorry but that made me laugh

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I bought this album like a week after it came out and i LOVED it. It has every emotion one could ever have put into an album. the best songs on there are Letterbomb, Homecoming, Whatsername, and Jesus of Suburbia. Billie Joe is an amazing writer, Tre is an insane drummer, and Mike is an incredible bassist.And i agree that Dookie, Insomniac, Nimrod and Warning(my favorite) were great albums too. but they are all different in their own way. AMerican Idiot is more political and deep, while dookie is a little more about fun and not giving a *beep* so u cant really compare the two by saying ones better than the other. they are just two completely different sides of Green Day.

Now on the matter of it being overplayed or overrated. As i said before, i bought american idiot a week after it came out and loved it. but then about a month or two later it was on the radio 24/7 and im getting really sick of it, especially Boulavard of FRICKEN Dreams! thats the worse of all the songs green days made in my opinion. yet it gets the most play time. now dont get me wrong, im happy for green day cuz they deserve the success for delivering a great album. but do they honestly have to play it every frickin second????? it seemed way better when it was played once or twice on the radio. and now the radio is doing the same thing to Fall Out Boy. so my answer would be OVERPLAYED!

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what a load of utter *beep* I'm 14 years old, and have been listening to green day all of my life, not just american idiot, but nimrod dookie etc. I'm so sick of all this *beep* about posers and crap in the music industry. if i was going to label anyone as a poser, it would have to be the people ignorantly defying something once it becomes mainstream and 'sold out'. i mean, who really gives a *beep* the best punk bands ever have followed the same path. look at the ramones and the clash.

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Green day is pure and simple amazing! I love them so much! I am 15 and respect them sooo much! I play most of their songs on guitar too... Also has anybody noticed the brilliance of Billie's lyrics? AMAZING! And no its not just American idiot...I want to hear those 12 year old's talk about "blood, sex, and booze" or "castaway" or "burnout". Heck, they probably dont even know "walking contradiction". All I can say is Green Day for life and best of luck to them in the future. 409 in your coffee maker for life!

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its the best LP of this century but not as good as smooth out slappy hours

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Just cuz they are young fans doesn't mean they aren't fans. How the heck do you know what a young fan is like if you aren't one. I just recently started liking Green Day last year in response to American Idiot. I went out and bought nimrod, Warning, Dookie, 1039/Smoothed out slappy hours. You get the idea. Macy's Day Parade is one of my favorite GD songs. Warning is my favorite GD album. I'm sick of people calling kids my age teenieboppers that don't know what music is. I know some bands that most 20 year olds havent even heard about. I like Manson, Green Day, Fall Out Boy, Blink-182 but I also like the Ramones, KISS, AC/DC, Led Zeppeling, and Motley Crue. You're being stereotypical.

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The Beatles, Elvis, Nirvana, Rolling Stones, Stevie Wonder, Queen, Green Day.

These are all artists, whose music has been overplayed for years. It is not their fault that people want to buy and listen to their music.

We are now in a Generation, where Music Channels consist of Cr@p programmes like Pimp my Ride and Battle for Ozzfest etc. About 90% of music played nowdays is all about the commercial side of it. Whatever a Radio Station, or a Music Network think is worthy of advertisement, then they will force it down your throats.

I'm 21 and have been a fan of Green Day ever since the Kerplunk days and think that American Idiot is an excellent Album. If you think that it is always on the Radio, or TV. Why don't you just change the channel??

Nobody is forcing you to listen.


Thanks for reading!

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