Homosexuality
What's the reason for all the gay scenes? Nothing against it just curious. Thanks.
You may just as well ask what's with all the heterosexual scenes. Some people in the world are gay, some people are straight, some people dwell in the many shades between. Ergo so do people on the telly.
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Russel T. Davies is gay, John Barrowman is gay. You can connect the dots. It's not as if the show has a gay agenda though(which it along with Doctor Who have been accused of unfairly). They just figured "hey, why not have some male on male scenes?".
shareActually, Jack is supposed to be omnisexual (pansexual? ambisexual?), attracted to both genders. RTD as admitted that Jack has been leaning much more gay than originally intended, so most likely his next partner (if there's another season) will be female.
shareJack is clearly hyper-sexual, whether it's men, women or Aliens:)
And let's face it: consensual male Gay scenes are still the exception on TV. So I'd say it's a good thing (and I'm not gay).
Just hope many Russians are watching!
I also hope you're right and that (a) Torchwood is going to come back, and (b) I'd like to see Jack hook up with a female.
Just hope many Russians are watching!
I'm Russian, I'm watching. share
Just hope many Russians are watching!
I'm Russian, I'm watching.
Me too. Bad humour here.
You can't insult black people no more so you switch to Russians and call them all homophobes and stuff. share
It's completely acceptable to bad talk all not just Russian government but all of Russian people. Apparently every single one of us is scum!
shareAgain, never said one bad thing against the Russian ppl!
Pls read my other post below.
I wasn't gonna write "I hope Putin's watching", since it wouldn't change his mind, and a great show would be wasted on him!
In Russia, in the US, in Europe, there is a significant number of ppl who are still "concerned" about gay people. Not because they are awful anti-gay people, but because they are misinformed. Shows like that can help them evolve on this issue. A few yrs back, a huge majority of Americans were strongly against gay marriage or gay unions. With more information, today a majority is in favour.
But it's only true of people who are capable of evolving (regardless of citizenship). It's this group of Russians I have in mind; not the "Pro Putin, anti gay" core which will never change its mind no matter what!
I know the show airs in the US and in Europe. In Russia, I simply don't know, but hope it does!
Cheers!
My best technology teams have always been Russians. hmmm. Correction: they have always been RUSSIANS and UKRAINIANS. Just because 'today' there is a war going on between the Ukraine and Russia doesn't mean that 'yesterday' there was NO WAR.
You may not be old enough to remember but I AM. Khrushchev gave Crimea to the Ukraine when I was a kid (in 1954). Maybe that was the 'beginning' of what's going on today (2015). I don't know.
Anyway, back to homosexuality. I only watched Torchwood because it was a spinoff of Doctor Who. I have not been impressed with ANY of the characters or actors, except for the guy who played Owen. Now HE can ACT. John Barrowman. Hmmm. It seems QUITE clear that he and the director or possibly the writers are 'close' and yes I do mean having 'sexual relations'. He overplays his role, and yet at the same time his role appears to be written to prove what I've known for decades (having spent most of my adult life living in San Francisco). Homosexuals are focused on their sexual organs and never grow up, have little sense of healthy morality. They think only sex is important, when, in the world of ADULTS sex is only about 5% of what makes life great.
I don't like John Barrowman and am 'disturbed' he and his deviant partner were ALLOWED to adopt children, or worse yet, may have 'basted' their way into the world of parenting. I am very sad for their children. As for them, I do not like homosexuals, they disturb, SHRED, healthy community. I am not a homophobe, after all one must RESPECT something or someone before one can be 'phobic' about them. I don't know any active practicing homosexuals (male or female) that I respect. You can include any man who claims he's 'really a woman' ('Caitlyn 'gelding' Jenner'). I googled John Barrowman btw and found him on social media where he acts as the spoiled child he is. He's disgusting and can't act his way out of a wet paper sack. As for the character Gwen, she is a kind of composite of how homosexual writers/directors/actors think REAL WOMEN are: adulterers, lovers of homosexual 'men' etc. They write lines for her that anyone with an iq of 95 could say, and then 'pretend' that she's a 'brilliant' essential character for the show. She is not. As for Ianto, he's nothing for the show and furthermore of all the actors I've ever seen he's the first one I ever thought this about: "Guy needs to have collagen injections in his ultra-thin lips'. UGH.
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Wow. You say you are not homophobic while calling Barrowwman's partner "deviant." You say you have to respect something to be phobic about it, which shows you don't even understand the term. You cannot separate what you see as Barrowman's "spoiled child" behavior from his sexuality. You assume you know who is having sex with whom within the cast and crew of Torchwood. You perceive that being open about sexuality means being obsessed with it - but only apply this assumption to homosexuals. You assume that living in San Francisco somehow qualifies you as more of an expert on homosexuality than living anywhere else. You assume someone cannot be a good parent because of their sexuality.
That a helluva list. You seem quite obsessed with this subject.
It is people like you who keep trying to define others through sex, and it says far more about you than about them. There are plenty of heterosexuals who are as open as Barrowman about their sexuality, and often it is because they are tired of people like you acting as if sex is something that should be hidden in a closet and talked about only in whispers.
Unless it was quite recent and kept out of the news, John Barrowman and his partner Scott Gill have not adopted a child. They have discussed surrogacy and adoption, and I hope one day that some child or children will be lucky enough to call them both Dad. They are two people with a lot of love to share. I would feel a child far safer with them than with someone with your issues.
As for your claim that you have seen no homosexuals who are good parents, I am sorry you have seen a limited statistical universe; maybe it is the company you keep.
My ex husband is a terrific, kind, loving parent. He is no more perfect than any other human, but he loves his sons and they love him. He is there for them when they need him, emotionally, physically, and financially. He is very open with them but also respects their privacy. He and I consider each other family; he came to my family Thanksgiving last month and my family was glad to see him. He is a responsible person, a home owner, respected and liked by all who know him. His private life is his own, just like anyone else's, but he does not hide from anyone. His sexuality is not the defining characteristic of his life, but as much a part of him as his eye color or his voice or his height. I hope he finds the right partner that will fully appreciate the unique person he is.
And in case you are wondering, both sons are heterosexuals in happy relationships. If my son had been homosexual it would have been fine with me, and my only worry would have been about how people like you would treat him for no other reason but that he is as God made him.
I wasn't calling Russians anything. It was a genuine thought: I hope a lot of Russians are watching i.e. I hope Torchwood airs in Russia for those who don't speak English!
Hopefully, they've improved the dubbing practices since the era of "one person dubbing all the voices with a monologue":)
I studied Russian (ages ago), visited quite a few times (in the Soviet era), made friends etc and the current political events sadden me...
So, I'm well aware that not all Russians are anti-Gay or anti-semitic or even pro-Putin!
And why on Earth would I insult Black people?
For all you know, maybe I *am* black!
Seriously, I pride myself for never insulting people online, even those I strongly disagree with, let alone an entire group!
Great: the more the merrier!
I'm not going to make assumptions re: your sexual orientation (non of my business, and irrelevant) but I'm guessing you might not represent those who support Putin's anti-Gay laws...
Cheers/ Paka:)
It´s shameful what happened in Russia, but idiots are everywhere..
Kind of feel sorry for Russians who find it shameful as well. Talking about Putin. Yeh, ok, but...
...being from the Czech Republic I sometimes think.. well, we have a president now who resembles something that just crawled out of a swamp, both mentally and physically.. What might the world think of us?? What a reputation..
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I was reading somebody´s bio here and IMDB was simply silent about the sexual orientation. Not to mention many actors who avoid this subject. Still. So not only Russians..:))
And I know your comment wasn´t meant to be offensive. Just adding up.. And I do feel deeply sorry for Ukrainiens.. Russia showed its teeth once again..
I was reading somebody´s bio here and IMDB was simply silent about the sexual orientation. Not to mention many actors who avoid this subject. Still. So not only Russians..:))
You're right. I mean, it wouldn't occur to me to put "sexual orientation" on a resume, because it has nothing to do with work. However, it's scary to think that there are still some States in the US where one can lose his/her job for being Gay...
The CEO of Apple came out recently, and it was a big deal in the News. share
I think when asked about "pushing their Gay agenda" they responded with, "we're not pushing it, we're normalising it" Gotta love that line :)
We're actors! We're the opposite of people!
We're so used to the "don't ask, don't tell" custom being the norm that now when anyone tells to any degree, it comes across as an "agenda". I would call it pushing an agenda if they were trying to play the old "gay is good" propaganda card, but I don't see that. In Torchwood, any kind of sex might lead to problems, just as it can IRL. It comes across to me more as a "gay is out there" attitude, which is fine with me.
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Some? It's 3 out of 5 here! Jack, Ianto and Toshiko.
shareI'm one of those in between. I don't like to see graphic sex scenes from either sexuality (gay or straight) in shows that don't particularly need them. This show is a good example of that. It just seemed to insert sex scenes, especially homosexual ones, just for the sake of it. With the exception of the episode about the alien that kills men when she orgasms, i don't recall any episode that needed a sex scene in it at all. Most of the time i feel they were just inserted to remind us that Jack was bisexual or that the show was meant to be an adult version of DW, both of which could've been achieved in other ways.
shareNow that's exactly the type of answer that alienates heterosexuals against gays. Totally uncalled for, not to say worse, but I won't lest I am called a homophobe.
Philosophically speaking, it's easy to understand for any objective person. At least try to show some good will! There are such things as minorities and denying it is a major flaw in logics and a reason why discussions like these derail without any good reason. Not a matter of rights nor position for or against one group or the other. The OP simply refers to the seemingly disproportionate importance given to homosexual themes, characters, etc. in Torchwood if one assumes this is neutral regarding sexual orientations, which means, in clearer terms, that Torchwood does not display any particular preference towards heterosexuals or homosexuals. Because homosexuality is still the choice of a minority, any bias in terms of having a clearly larger percentage of gay characters than in the general population translates in a choice or an opinion if you prefer (agenda would be too strong a word). Not that there is anything wrong with it, to cite a famous phrase in popular culture...
I know this is a highly flammable topic so I'll try to be as clear as possible. Most modern comedies or dramas present at least one homosexual character when the writers want them to be truly representative of their time. It simply reflects the normal distribution among a population. It's not even necessary and there is nothing wrong per se not to depict a single gay character in a TV series, depending on how many characters are part of it. It may not mean anything very often, as the personal life of the characters is often described only to a very limited extent, depending on the nature of the program. On the other hand, if the show insists on the personal lives of its characters, the sexual orientation takes more importance and it can go in as many directions as wanted by the authors. Homosexuality may even be the main theme and again, that's perfectly right.
But... if a show's concern has nothing to do with sexual orientation, as Torchwood, portraying a group with more homosexuality than one would expect in a normal population (statistically speaking, OK?) carries a definite meaning, i.e. a choice. If that's the case, a person has the right to mention it without being immediately suspected of insinuating homophobic intent. If it is meant merely as an observation, that is.... I think the OP had a legitimate question, that's all. You could have just answered that it does not mean anything. But to add that there is no reason why a program or show should include heterosexuals ("you may just as well ask what's with all the heterosexual scenes") is plain silly and you should be aware of it. Majorities are facts, not necessarily a matter of authority. It's only the law of numbers, a very natural one if there is one.
I guess this should be clear enough not to raise a storm of protest from either side. Just trying to be fair and asking to be fair.
I'm straight and I can also mention that some of my best friends are or have been homosexuals.