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Okay, the movie wasn't bad. Amber gave an admirable performance but the last line just killed the whole movie.

Honestly: "I killed my baby with my mind!" come on! Yes, I get what it means and how it fits blah blah blah, but no one watching this is two years old and hasn't figured out the moral by that point. Also, the way she says it makes me think it was a scene guest directed by M Night.

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I thought the line was brilliant! She was overwhelmed with guilt because she didn't want the baby and felt that this was karma's way of getting back at her!


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I doubt it was the concept of Karma. More like, God is punishing me. She was from a church-going family after all. Seemingly not a very bright one.

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I didn't like the line either. I don't think it was Ambers fault, though, she did a really good performance. The line just killed the scene, though, in my opinion.

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I agree completely. She was playing a sheltered, immature teenager who was raised in a "God-fearing" community. It would make sense that she would blame herself for the child's death, like little kids who blame themselves if a parent dies after the child has declared, "I hate you! I wish you were dead!"

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I also thought it was brilliant and wished it wasn't the last line. I wanted to know more.

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Well I think the line was kind of awkward but not in the way you meant it. I have worked with teenagers and I remember being a teenager and I know that many teenagers live by a magical reality like children. they try to make sense of the world and they have TV and the Net and maybe teenage magazines and also, in parallel, they have their own metaphisics which is created by the (pseudo)medical and (pseudo)psychological rules taken from the sources enumerated above, but also from what they remember being told as children, from what they peers told them, from religious lore and from an original mix of all that that their individual minds concoct. Well basically they try to make sense of their environment - their minds are trying to "connect the dots" like Tilda Swinton's character says at one point.

Swinton's character approaches the teenage girl from a position of rational authority and supposed high mental insight - as a clinical psychologist. At one point she tries to assure somebody she is able to keep private life and work apart. In her private life, she is full of guilt and a sense of the fulfillment of unknown regulations - was she supposed to grieve? was she unwilling to have the baby, thus causing the miscarriage? was it medical waste or a baby? did "a sickness" cause the miscarriage? is she doing something wrong now? what sense should she make of the way she removed the baby's remains? will her husband leave her? and so on. So she confronts this young girl who at first seems very remote in how rational HER attitudes towards childbirth are (at some point Swinton's character is considering out loud the matter of how to categorize the girl's mental incapacity and is actually edging towards an assessment that would have the girl both mentally unstable, and responsible for an intentional action).

As the movie and story of the girl unfold, Swinton's character is confronted with something like a mirror of an irrational side of her personality and her pre-conscious attitudes towards her own pregnancy, past and present, which I think is culminated in the dream sequence where she comes in contact with the omen the young girl reported and kills it and connects with it in its death, while being in labor. Well all in all, the conversation with the girl enables her psyche to open up to similar mechanisms that are going on inside her, which can be summed up as "fear of the unknown and desperately trying to impose some rules on it". So when the girl finally owns up to a sense of magical direct responsibility, Swinton's character can both recognize that sense in herself and approach it consciously and be aware of it, which takes some of the burden off. She can, say, recognize and finally hear her own fears, and she says "thank you" and hugs the girl so they finally have some realistic contact (the girl being the mirror in some ways, it's like another "hug your shadow" thing).

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I thought the last line was "Thank you" spoken by Lydie.

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what I don't understand is since Lydie is a psychologist surely she could see that this girl suffered some sort of psychotic break after that semi-rape that she experienced--
she denied to herself that she was pregnant--
she "wished" the baby dead although physically she did nothing to interfere with its breathing
it was an early birth in horrible conditions--to have the baby survive would have been a miracle--
having her take a plea bargain to negligent homicide when Stephanie was probably mentally unfit--
that does not seem professionally sound decision...
she is not her psychologist but she does have a duty to the court and medical ethics...

having Stephanie take blame for what happens in her situation seems to be passing off Lydie's own guilt over her miscarriage--
like she "wished" the baby would die after finding out her husband had an affair...
and feels guilty for that and Stephanie taking blame for her daughter's death surfices as Lydie's punishment too

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Excellent points!
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