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what a load of pretentious crap!!!!!!!!!!


seriously, it sucks ass!!!!

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i see threads like this in every though provoking movie. perhaps you just cant get a message from the film. that doesnt make it pretentious

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How pretentious of you to call a film pretentious because you don't like it.

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All movies are pretentious, especially big blockbusters, if you go by this definition:

pretentious - intended to attract notice and impress others.


thank you www.thefreedictionary.com

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haha... well thats a definition i've NEVER used for pretentious.

pretentious - Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.

thats the definition i know and use. But I'm in no position to assume this film is pretentious because I have not seen it yet. I came to this forum to find out if its worth watching, and all I get are a bunch of people on one side pretentiously screaming "It sucks" without any real argument as to why ... and people on the other side pretentiously saying "It is brilliant if you know philosophy and film theory" and other academic overstated bullsh_t.

So i think I might just borrow the dvd whenever i find out that one of my friends has it. dont think i'm gonna bother buying it until after i see it and like it. but from the trailer it looks like it might be a film worth watching on bluray. looks like beautiful cinematography.

but that's usually not enough of a reason for me to watch a film. and FFC has given me more than enough reasons not to watch a film of his considering his films in the last 20 years.



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Hmm,
Its does seem that the opener is indeed being pretentious in his own comments.

Like a lot of peanut gallerists here on IMDB, it seems that people often contradict the very thing they are commenting on every time they start one of these things. Its great and all to have a personal opinion for something, but to just blurt out any thing like a child is being pretty pretentious in itself. I know how easy it is to get an account on IMDB, so I figure any five year old with an email address can make a comment. Something along the lines of say " I thought the Land Before Time was bad because I don't like dinosaurs", or probably more along the lines of "The Rescuers was a big poo poo!". Very intelligent and well versed criticisms abound here on IMDB.

However for a few movie lovers or filmmakers, this is an important forum to discuss topics and ideas and educated opinions about film. So really, writing anything will only encourage the children at play here and is probably null and void, perhaps even pretentious in itself. Possibly the smart thing to do here is to directly ignore posts like this. But occasionally one can't resist a little justified pretension.

I still have yet to see this film, but plan on seeing it in the immediate future. I think each film carries with it a bit of pretension, otherwise all films would be made by robots. Coppola, like any filmmaker who writes his own material has a specific vision for the film he is creating, and undoubtedly wishes for the film to be successful. So making the best film to the best of his ability is his goal. If you don't enjoy the story then I would say go write your own screenplays and direct your own films. Film as art is purely subjective, so the person claiming pretense is probably a bit pretentious his or herself. How can anyone comment on something with no explanation, or even the slightest pinch of knowledge about what they are talking about. People commenting on films and filmmaking to the degree of "it sucks balls" and giving no further comment are just asking for attention or the axe. Speaking about anything requires a bit of justified pretension otherwise why have the knowledge. But unjustified pretension is just speaking out of ones ass.

Coppola like any filmmaker, also makes films that interest him. So just because some of his films have not done as well as the others only means that the public is not interested in the stories he wants to tell. These are the trials of any filmmaker, do we sacrifice content for mass appeal or do we stick to our guns? At least he's sticking to his guns.

If you sense a bit of pretentiousness here, it could be that you are.

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I'm not sure saying 'it sucks' is pretentious. If anything it is reductive. Which is a pretty pretentious thing of me to say. How tiring it is to label every statement we make. Was that pretentious? Oh dear!

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you know what? it does!

my vote history:
http://imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=27424531

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I've seen it. It's like Coppola's Dracula a bit reworked. VERY similar to it, as if he actually used his Dracula as a basis.

my vote history:
http://imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=27424531

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Whatever talent was left in Coppola fled him during Apocalypse now on a river of smack, cocaine, groupies, spoiled actors and money grubbing producers.

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I like his Dracula. Peggy Sue wasn't bad either? What about outsiders and cotton club?

my vote history:
http://imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=27424531

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it was god-awful..


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Those who use the word 'pretentious' are the most guilty of being pretentious. And for the record, Youth Without Youth isn't remotely pretentious.


Sorry, it's Granola. Granola!

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pretentious avatar, pretentious signature

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Well this movie does suck azz

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I think what the OP was trying to say is that, it seems the director is just trying to show off his filmmaking skills, without ever giving a damn about telling a good story. Every dialog is whispered, as if everything every character has to say is the most important thing ever said by somebody. Every shot is longer than it needs to be, every light and shadow contrast is exaggerated, every costume is thought to perfection - yet it still fails badly to be interesting. Half way through the movie and you still don't care about the characters and what is going to happen, so you hope at least the ending will give you something to make your time worth. It seems to follow a pace and a drama-building notion that might work for some, but when you think of the number of great movies we have all seen, this movie really seems to fail to cause an impression in any level. It is masterfully done, but then again, so what? In the end, the story is the most important thing in a movie. Even a bad director can make a good movie out of a great story. But not even a great director is able to save a weak story.



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