For All the Haters...


I'm a big fan of Red Dwarf, and I was warned in advance that this was not the same kind of comedy. Actually, I was warned that it "sucked", and to not even give it a chance.

So, naturally, I watched it.

Honestly, it's not that bad at all. The effects are brilliant, the music well done, but the writing isn't quite as glossy as its futuristic trappings. The first season has its quirks and false starts, but I actually hope that the BBC gives this series a third run. Recall that Red Dwarf didn't hit its stride until the third season, and that Hyperdrive is getting better as it goes along. The problem right now is that the writers of this particular situation comedy are more into the situation than the comedy. Red Dwarf's strength was in its three main characters and their archetypal personalities - Rimmer the uptight jerk, Lister the slobby common man, and Kryten the logical expositionizer. Holly had his/her moments as well, but mostly it was about three guys in a boat and their weird adventures. Hyperdrive needs to boil down its crew. The series seems to owe more to Star Trek and the seminal American sci-fi comedy movie "Dark Star" than to the boys from the Dwarf. Taken on its own merits, Hyperdrive has potential, but they need to eliminate some of the cast.

Sadly, though he is one of my favorite actors, Nick Frost as Commander Michael "Mike/Hendo/Lucky Jack" Henderson simply isn't captainy enough. He'd be a great first officer on the ship, or security chief, or engineering guy...but he's just not commanderful. I really, really hate to say that, too, because he was the best part of both "Shaun of the Dead" and "Hot Fuzz." Don't even get me started on his Mike Watt character from Spaced...pure genius.

But here, as the lead character who is supposed to be charismatic and leader-y, he just doesn't project the needed strength. Maybe he needs to lose the beard, which gives him the opposite energy of Jonathan Frakes' William Riker...the beard softens him, when he needs to project strength. I was taken by how much better he looked in one of his publicity photos shown in a behind-the-scenes bit on the DVD where he was clean-shaven. Maybe that's all he needs, because he's brilliant with the subtle dialogue and broader comedy.

Alas, Chloe...while I admire her character, I think she's really a One-Note Wanda, a character who loses strength as she is taken away from a central figure or concept. In this case, she becomes much less interesting when she isn't interacting with Frost's Henderson. Also, for one of only two main female characters, she exudes no real charisma or chemistry or sex appeal. I realize that's the point of her character, so I don't fault the actress (who is fine in the role) but the character needs more meat on her (metaphorically speaking), and either needs to be padded (on the page) or subtracted.

York - the most interesting character here is also the one with the most flaws. It's as if the writers didn't know what to do with him beyond being the resident rabid smooth-foreheaded Klingon. (In fact, in one scene, he even packs a faux Klingon knife of the type sold at sci-fi conventions...I should know, I have the exact same knife). They tried making him a sometime inventor, which works fine, but is very underplayed. York is a good character but not well balanced. He shows promise, but needs work.

Jeffers and Vine need to be better developed, but so long as they are mostly kept in the background, they're fine.

Sandstrom needs more screen time to flesh out her character. So far, she's the only one with any real sex appeal (and two separate characters are in love with her, which says less about her than it does about Chloe). That's something this show is sadly lacking in...sex appeal. Add a hottie to the cast, male or female, somebody to bring in the testosterone/estrogen brigades. Maybe they need to bring in a brigade of robot supersoldiers to fight the Shiny Red Robots of Vortis, but the crew of the Camden Lock come up short and are armed with a squad of surplus sex robots with laser rifles. There's a story in there somewhere, maybe I should move to England...I could save this show yet.


- T

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I'm going to have to disagree with anything bad you said about this show, just because it's my new favourite show (for the next two weeks or so until I get bored of watching it)... oh, and you forgot the Cat from Red Dwarf, which is a crime in my eyes because he's my favourite character and has been in it the whole way through - unlike Rimmer, who leaves to become Ace Rimmer in series 7, and Kryten, who didn't become a regular character until series 3.

"Sadly, though he is one of my favorite actors, Nick Frost as Commander Michael "Mike/Hendo/Lucky Jack" Henderson simply isn't captainy enough. He'd be a great first officer on the ship, or security chief, or engineering guy...but he's just not commanderful... as the lead character who is supposed to be charismatic and leader-y, he just doesn't project the needed strength."

I personally think he does. In the commentaries the writers say they specifically had it in mind that the roles of York and Henderson seem like they should be the other way round - because in previous comedies it's always been the shambling working-class guy who's the first officer to the uptight middle-class captain. Despite the fact that he has moments where he can't handle a situation and retreats into his quarters (particularly in series one), when he finally comes back out again he's got all the charisma he needs; while his speeches may be made of the finest cheddar they always bring a smile to my face and rally the crew around him.

York is flawed because his character is meant to be flawed. I love the fact that he's a complete psychopath, Kevin Eldon does a brilliant job (and almost never blinks when he's doing a scene, which is very powerful), and the few moments where his character exhibits flaws are calculated to bring Henderson back into the picture and stop the show (and ship) being completely overrun by York.

Chloe Teal is, as you say, at her best when she's trying to win Henderson's affection, but she has other shining moments as well - when she's documenting their journeys to other planets ("they have just shot Mr York, they are reloading their crossbows, I'm just waiting to see what they will do next"), and in series 2 when she encounters the guy in charge of the Green Javelins.

Jeffers and Vine are great support but, like you said, should be kept in the background. I think the ratio of main trio : supporting characters is pretty well balanced so far. Jeffers has managed to become my favourite character whilst simply being the occasional snide or cynical comment. I suppose I relate to him the most because he's a kind of studenty techno-geek like I am...

Sandstrom is meant to be a robot, and it'd be hard to flesh out her character without turning her into Data from Star Trek. I think she was fairly well summed up when we discovered she used to be a student and was 'enhanced' so Space Force would pay off her student loan...

As for sex appeal, the show has it in small doses. I personally think the female cadet (Pirelli?) who keeps showing up is quite hot, and the eponymous Claire from episode 5 of series 1 was quite attractive too (I quite like crazy women). As for hot guys, putting in a hugely masculine character (think David Borenaz or Josh Hartnett) would make it too American. A lot of the girls I know who watch the show find Jeffers attractive - in a messy indie-rock kind of way - so he certainly gets the british vote. Likewise putting in a stunning blonde bombshell would ruin it - every episode would become formulaic with Henderson trying to entice her into bed, Teal getting overly jealous and trying to sabotage things, and York trying to take over the ship while the others are following this pattern.

As it stands I think the show is a decent balance and, while not being a format that will become a classic cult show, is a sitcom that's well worth watching and pursuing further.

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I agree with you Spikey Demon, well written!

As for the show having a third season, I'd be all for that. I think - after reading a lot of posts on this board - that a lot of people were expecting it to be more than it is (which is a decent comedy with some very funny scenes).

It may not surpass other shows, but it certainly has its moments of comedic genius.

I think what people need to do is switch off their inbuilt critic and just enjoy things for what they are, instead of always trying to pick faults.

But definitely worth watching and definitely would like to see more.

And definitely agree with everything said in your post Spikey.

That's all.

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This show is most certainly not commedic genius.
The first episode was bland at best. I cant recall any jokes that I aactually laughed at. And some of the jokes seem to me to be anti funny.

Here is an example: Attention all crew: 'Today is Take Your Clone to Work Day. If you don't have a clone, go and see the Clone Officer on Level 7'.

Did i miss something, because that does not seem like a joke to me.

And as for the original poster who said something like 'Red Dwarf didnt hit its stride till season 3'. Well, its just a matter of opinion but I personally think that what they did in season 1 and 2 (Ie. A traditional sitcom on a space ship) was much funnier than the more science fiction based premised that they went towards in the later episodes.

call me old fashioned but I like comedies to be funny.

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The clone joke was brilliant, millions of viewers thought it was the best joke of any and all in traditional sitcoms set on a space ship in 2007.

Call me funny but I like clone jokes, they are hilarious and they are easily the best jokes since John Cleese did his ministry of silly talks on Radio 4 in 1984.

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<i>Here is an example: Attention all crew: 'Today is Take Your Clone to Work Day. If you don't have a clone, go and see the Clone Officer on Level 7'.

Did i miss something, because that does not seem like a joke to me.</i>

I believe that his a pun on "loan officer". The major part of the joke is the situation substution of clone in the whole "bring your ...... to work day", the pun just drags it out a bit. No, it's not ROFL material, but the narrator insert at the beginning is just little bit of light hearted merriment to get started.

With RD hitting its stride in S3, I would say the material was great in S1-2; but the rapport between the actors did not mature until S3. The material in RD is much better (IMO) but I think the actors slipped into their roles stariaght away in HD (again IMO).

As for comparing RD and HD, it's apples and oranges. HD is much more of a traditional sitcom played straight down the line rather than off the wall like RD.

OK, I liked RD more and HD is no replacement, but (providing you don't expect it be RD's annointed sucessor) I think it stands by itself.

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wow inthefridge,

you don't have a sense of humour. go back to your benny hill videos, leave the adults alone

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"Also, for one of only two main female characters, she exudes no real charisma or chemistry or sex appeal."

What-everrrrr....

What's really unique about Teal is she's a female character who is allowed to be a loser in love without everyone feeling sorry for her. There've been male characters like that since forever, but whenever a woman has a relationship issue we're always expected to think that they'll 'get together in the end'.

Lister in Red Dwarf isn't meant to get together with Kochanski, even when Kochanski becomes a regular member of the cast. In the same way, Teal isn't meant to get together with Henderson.

Another aspect of Teal is her rigid adherence to the rules. She's able to be a stickler for the rules without being cold and aloof, and as such becomes a very human character.

To say that Teal's character lacks chemistry is absolute BS and I can't believe you said that. The way she interacts with Nick Frost's character in particular is brilliant. As for charisma, there are points when her character is charming but, as part of her character, she often quickly turns it around. As for the sex appeal, she's not meant to be conventionally attractive but I do find her kind of alluring nonetheless (though maybe that's just me *hides*)

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Appauling show, and poor compensation for dwarfers who are still hanging out for the movie that'll NEVER happen because Craig Charles has got his head up his arse.

Then, there's the whole smoking crack thing..

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henderson

u cant even spell appalling

go away, play with your crayons

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Actually, you are VERY correct - a slight oversight. Thanks Mr. Roget.

HOWEVER before you begin circling the drain in victory (?), I should point out despite this error previously made, I can still spell the rather simpler word "You", as well and remember the apostrophe in "Can't" - in addition to being somewhat gifted in the basic utilization of punctuation (such as an awareness of correct placement of a comma, or full stop).

The fact this post of mine was made back in 2008 and Mr Charles has INDEED got on with things, and "The Dwarf" has LONG since returned, suggests that obviously you have VERY little going on in your life. And the desire to initiate a slanging match with a complete stranger, is a reflection (and confirmation) of this fact - I am writing in response PURELY from a sense of bemusement.

Understand that I say this not in retaliatory malice - but more so as a push for to look upon your motivations for future posts.

As the web-poster says: "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics: even though you win, you're STILL retarded".

Good luck with it!







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