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SHAME THEY GOT THE NAME WRONG


Kokoda Track or Kokoda Trail ?
The official name of the route is Kokoda Trail. This was gazetted in 1972 and was in accordance with the most widely used term in Australia at that time. (In 1972, Papua was still an Australian Territory).

Prior to this, the Kokoda Trail did not have an official name though in the post-1945 period, use of 'Kokoda Track' was common in Papua New Guinea, and still persists today despite the official proclamation.

Before the 1942 war period, the route was referred to in official papers as 'the overland mail route' while popular usage of 'the Buna road' was widespread.

Historically, overland routes in Papua New Guinea have always been known as 'tracks'. This is not surprising in light of Australia's long association with PNG, and other routes across the country retain their 'track' names to this day; for example, the Bulldog Track and the Jaure Track.

'Trail' became entrenched from its use in Australian newspapers by Australian journalists during the Second World War. The first appearance of 'Kokoda Trail' as a two-term proper noun, in the sense that it is used today, was in Sydney's Daily Mirror of 27th October 1942, though the term 'Kokoda trail' (small T) had been used by a visiting British writer as early as 1935. There is little evidence of American influence in the adoption of 'Trail', which is often suggested

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Danm.

Thats horrible. Stupid movie crew could't get the name right? That is pretty lame, I mean how der der der can you be to make a war movie based on a TRUE event and get the event's name wrong. It would be like the movie crew of El Alamein spelling it El Alamien.

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I think there is a bit of contention over the proper name for it. Even in books, authors acknowledge that both are popularly used.

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In a definitive work on the campaign, "Kokoda" (Paul Ham, Harper Collins, 2004, ISBN 0 7322 8232 2), Ham states (p. xi), "The Kokoda capaign is distinguished for...the first land defeat of the Japanese Imperial Army; it marked the start of the great roll-back of Japanese troops from the southernmost point of the Pacific Empire; and it was the battle that saved Australia from certain isolation - and possible invasion, as it was perceived at the time - in the Pacific War. Against this backdrop, the heated argument over the correct name of the jungle path along which the Australians and the japanese fought seems trivial. To my mind, a track is little different from a trail or path, & I have used the terms interchangeably. Where I formally identify it, I use "Kokoda Track", because that is the preferred name of the Isurava Memorial and most soldiers. Incidentally, a research paper by Peter provis on the subject, commissioned by the Australian War Memorial, concludes that "Trail" is technically correct, but concedes that either may be used..."

"Trail" or "Track" - who cares? Get over it and enjoy the movie.

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Huh? The movie is called "Kokoda" not "The Kokoda Track" or anything else! Also, the Kokoda Trail is what the Americans more commonly call it - the Aussies predominately called it and call it the Kokoda Track. So unless you and your uncle are seppos, I'm not sure what the problem is.

I have seen this movie, and I can honestly say I believe the filmmakers must have the GREATEST respect for the soldiers who fought on the Track/Trail to have made this film and depicted the soldiers as they have.

Oh, and here is a quote from Peter Fitzsimon's book "Kokoda" (he uses "Track" in the book)-

"On the subject of the Kokoda campaign, there is a continuing discussion about whether it is the Kokoda Track or the Kokoda Trail, with many passionate adherents on boyth sides. It has been explored so often I won't go into it again here, if only to say I have plumped for "Track" on the simple grounds that every Digger I spoke to referred to it as that, and if it was good enough for them..."

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From Australia - as an 11/12 yr old I lived through the period with Dad and uncles in war zones. My memory is much, much more of 'Trail' usage. I would say, exclusively.
I am currently re-reading an official book of photographs with captions of Aussies at war and there it refers to Kokoda Trail only.
The book "Pictorial History of Australia at War. 1939-45. Vol III
Edited for the Board of Management of the Australian War Memorial by Charles Meeking. Published by the Australian War Memorial, Canberra, A.C.T. First published 1958. Copyright Australian War Memorial 1958."
That is a fairly good authority. I had read of this 'official declaration in 1972' but on what grounds and the validity of it I need convincing of.
The caption under another area picture in the same book - "The lofty mountains on the TRAIL at Mindelo." Note, my stress text.
The above Authority will do me !.

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Also, in Paul Ham's 'Kokoda', he says the following:

"Where I formally identify it, I use 'Kokoda Track', because that is the preferred name of the Isurava Memorial and most soldiers". It then goes on and says that some Australian War Memorial research papers have used the term 'Trail'."

So as you can see, there are arguments for both sides of the fence, although with regards to the movie I think it is of little consequence.

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I believe the name is correct the americans refer to it as a trail.
australians have always referred to it as a track which is the way aussies talk.eg
americans blazed a TRAIL through the old west.
australians sing "theres a TRACK winding back to an old fashioned shack"
"follow the TRACK through the bush" TRAIL is an american term.

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Both my grandfather who served with the AIF and his brother who was a chocco faught on the Kokoda TRACK, and my other grandfather made the maps for the campaign, they all referred to it as TRACK not TRAIL. Trail is a American term nothing else. Two are now dead so this movie to me is a tribute to there memory and fighting spirit.

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Hear, hear!

at first I was responding to the initial post but given its all been done for me...

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The Australian Military calls it the Kokoda Track. But the local name for it is 'trail'.

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I have a feeling, that at the beginning of the movie, that it was an American soldier narrating (not sure, it was the impression I got) so logically he would call it a trail, but when Aussies talk about it, it's a track.
At Mt Dandenong National Park in Melbourne there is a walking path commemorating the soldiers who fought in Papua New Guinea, and that is called the Kokoda Track.

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oh, well. my mistake (I am happy to admit because I wasn't sure). I am not even certain that he even called it a trail in the beginning of the movie :D
How long was this movie in production? I remember someone telling me about 5 years ago that it was on the way...

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He only graduated from AFTRS, Australia's most prestigious film school in 2004, so it's been something of a minor miracle to get a feature up so quickly.

Especially in Australia.

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Ah well, all I remember is talking to someone about why there were no Australian WWII films and being told that there was one in production.
Maybe they decided to get their act together while there were still people who had first hand knowledge of it still around.

I am on Team Danny

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Good comment smoodgekitty - way back.
'Desert Rats'- Richard Burton, James Mason et al, comes up pretty well,
although I think it was British made, albeit an Australian gutsy military campaign.
Part of their history-making desert war victories.
(Also a TV series in the seventies - 'Spyforce', with Jack Thompson.)

Aussies were involved in all the world-wide battlefields of WW2 except, perhaps, the European land conflicts. Quite a number of Australians in 'The Dambusters' RAF 617 squadron.
And as full operational RAAF squadrons within the British Bomber and Fighter Commands.
Certainly Air and Naval operations all the world over and, close to home, as well as the Kokoda Track New Guinea campaign, some of the Pacific Islands battles.

From WW 1, 'Gallipoli' and '1915' TV miniseries are outstanding productions. (Made around the 1970's/80's.)
During WW1 46,000 Australians died on the Western Front (France/Belgium), and over 8,000 at Gallipoli.

We can hold our heads high on that score.
Not wanting to glorify war.

Laurie, from Australia.

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There's old movie called the 'The Desert Rat's' about the siege of Tobruk, which is the other most famous WWII engagement by the Australians. It's pretty entertaining.

Too bad about this film, such a campaign like Kokoda deserved a better film. I'm actually dissapointed with most war films, they are all kind a lame. I guess the politics side always intrudes. So far Black Hawk Down is the best war film I've seen but it's admittedly pretty brainless. Das Boot is the best but that happens on a submarine, don't think it counts as a 'war film'.

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Its the track you dickheads, as Peter Fitzsimmons wrote "The Diggers called it the Track and if it is good enough for them, then it is good enough for me".

What we do in life, echoes an eternity!

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Getting the horse in its rightful place in my studies, I offer :-
It looks like it's just one of those things. Full of conjecture - like tossing a coin. But I have to admit,'Track' has been pronounced officially since 1972 as stated. I presume, to at least have consistency 'down in this part of the world'. The following site shows well, the name's pro's and con's from the historical viewpoint, < http://www.kokodatreks.com/history/thekokodatrail.cfm >. Pre-war it was Kokoda Road from one end and Buna Road from the other. 'Road' ???'!
Some official Army awards conferred later during WWII use the '... Trail'.
For me this thread, as has been observed/inferred, may be incorrectly titled. I have not seen the movie so I don't know how the scriptwriters were told to 'play' it.
The aspect to always bear in mind, as we all well know, is that any English speaking movie made outside the USA and for release there, has GOT to lean toward their (your?) sentiment to get the money out of their (your?) pockets so that the movie may be financially viable in the first place!
e.g. British, 'Dangerous Moonlight' becomes the more dramatic 'Suicide Squadron'; Kirk Douglas in the Australian, 'The Man From Snowy River', would you believe !( At least not the main lead but leading enough !)
And many others.
The producers, 'Rising Sun Films' (?) avoided stirring debate by not using either names - at least in their titling and publicity. Just the bare 'Kokoda' - the village name.
It IS an important issue here in Australia, because if the result of the struggle had gone the other way it could be that we here would now be living a very different life!!?? And many, many Australian families, as in all war's inherent tragedies, suffered the loss of loved ones in the mud of its dreadful battle-location, not battle'field'! Defending us, their families, not all that far way!
That could be how someone would indelibly remember their Dad or been told of their Grandpa. "He died on the Kokoda Trail."





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