Movie was funny but the cheating was uncomfortable. - Hall Pass (2011) Discussion

[–] MissBono 12 years ago

Yes, it's just assumed.

I mean, if the husbands got a hall pass, why shouldn't their wives as well? It's a week off marriage. So, for that week, they didn't have husbands and were allowed to do as they pleased. It's only fair, wouldn't you agree?

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[–] Metaliron 12 years ago

That's like telling your friend they can slap you in the face to test their friendship and then slapping them in the face... Not really fair... Don't agree I'm afraid.

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[–] bringbackberniew 12 years ago

missbono, you need to study up on LOGIC.

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[–] MissBono 12 years ago

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. For me, if the husbands can do what they want, the wives have the same "right"...

You don't have to agree with me, but this is LOGICAL on MY opinion. Jeez.

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[–] bringbackberniew 12 years ago

The wives TOLD the husbands they could "do what they want".

The wives DID NOT SAY to the husbands "that means we can also".

The husbands DID NOT TELL the wives they could "do what they want".

But, your opinion, oh wait, your "logic" is that there was symmetry here.

good one

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[–] Eve_of_Destruction 12 years ago

That just sounds so wrong. Did the stupid husbands actually think they would get away with that and the wives could not? Granted, the wives didn't say they would do the same but any idiot knows it goes without saying.

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[–] bringbackberniew 12 years ago

knows it goes without saying.

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[–] stijntje44 12 years ago

That's the dumbest *beep* thing I've ever heard, and here's why.

The men didn't have a say in the matter. Maggie told Rick he was getting the hall pass whether he liked it or not. That makes it damn certain that it doesn't apply to the women as well. After all, I can't go up to my girlfriend and say "You get to *beep* around this week, oh, and btw, I am gonna *beep* around as well and there is not a damn thing you can do about it".

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[–] summerishere77 12 years ago

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. So yea, it's implied that both people in that relationship get the week off from being married.

Fair is fair, if your SO got a week off from being with you, wouldn't you want the same courtesy?

Course you could be trolling.

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[–] bringbackberniew 12 years ago

logic? not an ounce.

implied that both people in that relationship get the week off from being married.

No. Nothing was stated nor implied. Also, you just used "being married" as a euphemism for "having sex with only your spouse". You would like it to be so, but it was not. I'd say "watch it again", but we all know your problem is not in your eyes or ears, it is in your brain.
note: we're all sure you don't know the meaning of words like "euphemism" (4 syllables, yikes!) so look it up.

Fair is fair

I'm sorry. Were we talking about "fairness" or were we talking about what was clearly shown in the movie & logic? If a woman wants to do something moronic, why would a man be "fair" & copy her?

wouldn't you want the same courtesy?

I'm sorry. Were we talking about what people might "want"? The question is both off-topic & irrelevant, because I wouldn't be stupid enough to think up something like a "hall pass", & if I, by some unbelievable stretch of reality did, I wouldn't be stupid enough to call it a "hall pass", like a 4th grader. I leave such inanities to the "fairer" sex.

Course you could be trolling.

Course, you could be just stupid.

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[–] new112 12 years ago

@ bringbackberniew your comment serious made me LOL. Its just that when I saw the movie, I "logically" saw it a bit differently. While I understand your point about logic vs. opinion, please keep in mind that movies are always subect to each individual's interpretation, and it seems like we have two completely different opinions about the logic in the film. ;) The way I see it, if the wife tells her husband that for a week he is not married, then by default, she is also not married. (I'm pretty sure Grace even spelled this out very clearly in one scene - unless I'm just imagining things). Anyhoo this could potentially explain why some folks may not even have considered what they did "cheating" because according the the Hall Pass, they were single. Of course we all know that technically they were still married, so yes they were being unfaithful, hall pass or not... but that's not the point here.. just my two cents..

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[–] bringbackberniew 12 years ago

and you exhibit why the world is in so much trouble.

movies are always subect to each individual's interpretation

That is true, but logic is not so subject. Feeling all-powerful about re-interpreting a movie or book doesn't change logic, which lives outside the movie or book.

What you said is almost like saying "I love to swim so much and feel so free when I am swimming that I have no trouble breathing underwater". Wrong. Breathing oxygenated air but not water is how human biology works and just because you apply breathing to something you love, you can't pretend breathing works differently. Logic lives outside the movie or book. You cannot just re-interpret it.

he is not married

and there you go , another person who uses "married" as a euphemism for "having sex". When you rely on euphemisms, you begin your stumble into not really knowing what you are talking about.

I'm pretty sure Grace even spelled this out very clearly in one scene - unless I'm just imagining things

I'm sure you are imagining things, but I sure won't ever watch this film again to prove it.

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[–] lucyjad 10 years ago

You're investing logic with too much power if you think it can only result in one outcome. You can have 2 people looking at one problem logically and coming up with 2 different, and yet both reasonable, answers. This is not a black and white issue and I believe does actually come down to opinion because logic can result in two opposing answers: those who have said that a week off marriage means the wives are single too, are being logical. You cannot have a marriage with one person in it. If the marriage was on hold for a week then you have 2 single parties. That's a logical way of tackling the problem, whether we agree with it or not.

I also missed the part where the OP stated that they only wanted people to express unbiased, completely objective, emotionless conclusions based on logic. What is wrong with someone simply expressing their opinion? And when did it become impossible to have a logically formed opinion? For instance, I am going to use my logical understanding of human behaviour to suggest that the husbands behaved in a way which undermined their marriage by constantly objectifying other women and looking at porn. Many people would find that disrespectful. The wives reacted to that. The men created the situation in the first place. It seems that those who are suggesting that the wives shouldn't have had the ability to express their own sexuality, whilst the husbands did, have placed women in a passive role. It is my opinion (I'm allowed one) that the men had their moral comeuppance for continuously disrespecting their wives and behaving in a way that had made them feel uncomfortable, potentially for years. I also believe that's kind of the point of the film.

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[–] sentury111 8 years ago

Reverse the genders with the husband telling his wife she can sleep with other men for a week.
You'd be screening misogyny and cheater while watching the same outcome as the husband beds a coed without explicitly stating their intention. Never telling the wife they had sex with a younger woman.
Oh, and remember this is just a test to prove they won't cheat.

Seriously, you'd be ok with this now?

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[–] SideWays408 10 years ago

Fair is Fair if they talk about it. The guy didnt ask for a hall pass nor did he give his wife one. I cant force something on someone so i myself can go out and do what i want. Thats just dumb.

I feel like any person that does not understand the idiocity of the "Of-course it goes both ways" is just a women trying to make this about womens rights or some nonsense.

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[–] DendelionBlu 10 years ago

Seriously, it isn't logical in the slightest way

You can even say it's fair provided you believe that - I don't, the husbands would need to give their own hall pass to the wives - but seriously, it isn't logical

Logic's got quite strict rules

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[–] LovesConfusingJoy 12 years ago

I agree with you. I really don't understand what's the deal with the uproar.

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[–] Dinodak 12 years ago

It's not implied at all. The wives offered the hall pass to their husbands to test their strength outside of marriage for a week. Remember, they didn't even think they'd pull girls at all.

The wives never stated they'd do the same, nor did the husbands agree. When the "hall pass" is brought up by the older psychologist wife during their walk-and-talk, there was no mention that she went out and did the same as her husband. Only that "their marriage was stronger than ever."

The wives decided during the baseball game that the husbands had freedom to do what they wanted, so why couldn't they "have some fun"? They just went to get a drink and hang out with the baseball team. There was never an indication that they planned to also cheat on their husbands. It just happened with Christina Applegate's character and she regrets it thereafter.

I'm sorry - the "goose and gander" saying makes sense and is applicable to the movie, but the hall pass was never presented as such and most certainly was not implied. The HUSBANDS had the week off; the wives were tired of their sex-crazed antics. It was only after a week away from their husbands and in the company of younger guys that they realized they appreciated the freedom as well. The wives made mistakes just as the guys did. Their marriages, we can assume, become much stronger after the end of the movie. This reinforces what the psychologist wife mentions when she first brings up the hall pass.

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[–] keith81 12 years ago

Interesting to see that the women on imdb think the same exact way as the women in the movie.

For women "YOU have a hall pass" means "WE BOTH have a hall pass".

Proof that the sexes really need to have everything clear in writing to communicate successfully.

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[–] Eve_of_Destruction 12 years ago

Nice to see the women be skanky for a damn change.

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[–] Metaliron 12 years ago

If you said this in the 50s, fair enough... These days... A comment more like nice to see the men be men again for a damn change would be more apt. Let's face it women in movies have been skanky for a damn change for far too long but that's another debate altogether.

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[–] DendelionBlu 10 years ago

For a change?

Come to London dude

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[–] tnw013 12 years ago

lol How amusing that men think women would give men a 'pass' while assuming the women would refrain from cheating. Any man that would take up an offer like "Hall Pass" is a 'tard if they think no repercussions (like a wife cheating) will happen

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[–] askoz 12 years ago

Any man that would take up an offer like "Hall Pass" is a 'tard if they think no repercussions (like a wife cheating) will happen

Rick didn't even have a choice in the matter! In fact, he was against it at first.

Here's the (condensed) dialog:
Maggie: I'm giving you a hall pass. You can do whatever you want, get it out of your system. I think that you need this. It's not a yes-or-no offer, and it's not a debate. I'm taking the kids to my parents' Cape house. We'll be back next Sunday.
Rick: Oh, great. So what am I supposed to do?
Maggie: Whatever you want. As far as I'm concerned, you have the week off from marriage.

How in the world does that go both ways??

By your "logic" a guy can force a hall pass on his wife whenever he feels like screwing around.

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[–] TreeHuggerKyle 12 years ago

I think your last sentence hit the nail on the head.

Let's say I was married and another woman came on to me. I wait until I see my wife eyeing another guy, then say "Obviously you want to sleep with him, go ahead and pretend you're single for the next 24 hours," and go hook up with the other chick. You think my wife would say that was fair?

Would ANY of you women say that was fair?

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[–] bringbackberniew 12 years ago

Now THIS is getting uncomfortable!

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[–] marcjacobspants 11 years ago

There is even a scene later in the movie where the Owen Wilson Character is confronted by the baby-sitter for sleeping with her mother and lambastes him by saying something about "just because your wife is screwing around with the baseball team doesn't mean you should screw with my family" and Own Wilson is shocked and surprised by the (false) revelation. Whatever you think the deal between them was, this scene sort of tells us that the Owen Wilson character did not believe it was a reciprocal deal. In fact this shocking revelation is the motivation that sends his character into the third act. So it could only be "interpreted" one way imho.

And for what its worth, I also believed the deal was not meant to be reciprocal. It was forced on Owen's character against his will, with him believing the wife was going to stay with the kids at her mother's house. The third act part only reconfirms that he too never believed it was supposed to be reciprocal.

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[–] pv71989-1 10 years ago

You make a good point, except for the assumption that the marriages ended up being stronger. I think we've seen enough episodes of "Maury Povich" and "Dr. Phil" to know that cheating does not make a marriage stronger.

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[–] SideWays408 10 years ago

It should not be assumed.

Because that stands to reason that the women gave themselves a hall pass. Which does not make sense to give yourself "The right to cheat". As that is just simply cheating...

Its like if the guy whenever he saw a hot women he liked went up to his wife and said hey wife "Im giving you a hall pass" so he himself can go out and sleep with the women he found hot.

There was no need for the husband to wait for his wife to give him a hall pass then. He could have just gave her one.

LOGIC is if you give someone a hall pass then you are GIVING THEM the hall pass not the other way around. If i give you 10 bucks i dont also get 10 bucks... thats just asinine.

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[–] Royalcourtier 9 years ago

That is missing the point. The men were in danger of straying, and their wives gave them a chance to prove themselves. There was no implication that the wives would also be allowed to stray. The women proved themselves to be the weaker and more amoral of the couples.

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[–] Bip (1) 2 years ago

U cannot assume that. First it's about consent from both parties. If someone wants a open relationship, poly or pass its usually agreed by both, tomorrow I can just give myself a cheat pass. If husband wants a cheat pass their must be consent from the wife and vice versa hence the women cheated the men didn't.

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[–] Brandestoc 12 years ago

I agree.

Good movie, but that was rather hard to accept.

The fact that Applegate's character cheated on her husband and then we find that the husband was actually a wimp who's completely devoted to her was abit shattering.
I found that to be rather uncomfortable as well because anyone can picture themselves in that situation and not feel right about it especially if they too felt completely devoted to their wife (but just acts like they're not) like the husband did.

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[–] Abolfazl3007 11 years ago

Consider hall pass did go both ways :

THE FACTI S :

HE DID NOT CHEATED

BUT

SHE CHEATED LIKE A HORNY SLUT !!

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[–] mariondowning-427-469344 10 years ago

He said he kissed the other woman's vagina- I'd say that's cheating.

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[–] DendelionBlu 10 years ago

No he didn't dude

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[–] dvonder100-1 10 years ago

The guy she banged didn't wven care. What an idiot, i mean the idea of a hall pass is repulsive and stupid, but apparently she got used. So sad

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[–] SausagePourVous 10 years ago

The character Applegate portrayed was a piece of ----. She Went along with the Hall pass,cheated on her guy,said NOTHING,he confessed regarding being a crappy husband and how it was a dumb idea and then alá female"What he doesn´t know won´t hurt him"logic let´s him feel guilty when technically and physically,she is in the wrong...and when he admits to have FAKE chowdered a woman,fake,we get that All hell will break lose.

Of course it was a trap. Giving them a Hall pass,saying-"Go out and bang some chicks and get it out of your system,God"...only to One gender is That implied that it goes for both parties. They acted based on hipocritical speculations coming from a situation they to 125% themselves have created.

Neither gender is monagomous by nature,both sexes crave sex and which sex can get it anytime they want? Exactly. Cheating is not as a big thang for females as for men and that IS a fact. IS it right or wrong? Don´t know but it´s the way of the world.

These guys sort of still got a bit of what they deserved though. Clumbsy:) They weren´t exactly subtle in their objectification of women and with their visible drooling and all....moral? If you want to fantasize about the other sex,stare at it or cheat,just make sure it isn´t noticable,play it like a lady would. Yes,sarcasm. To an extent. Out.

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[–] Rpdsf 9 years ago

The cornerstones of a good marriage are love, trust, honesty and commitment. Without, the marriage is in serious jeopardy. I believe that the wives did love their husbands and also trusted that even with a hall pass they would not cheat. However both the wives and husbands were lacking in honesty and commitment. It was foolish offering a hall pass let alone to accept one. It should have signaled to all involved that their marriages were in serious distress. The adult thing to do would be a honest discussion and if necessary counseling. At worst, separation and or divorce; but not a hall pass. Believing a hall pass is necessary is not a solution; it is a symptom. All it did was make things worse, bringing on suspicion and infidelity; things that will always be in the back of their minds and cause further stress on their marriages.

But then, if not for the hall pass, there wouldn't be much of a movie.

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[–] nabeel722 9 years ago

I am bit late in replying but i just watched this movie. I TOTALLY AGREE with you at this point. Even she went to his place and had sex with him,means she made up her mind already though she felt guilty after all the stuff.
In-fact its quite uncomfortable to see cheating getting screwed by strangers while you have a total honest man in home. At least in my society its totally unacceptable.

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