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Why were the characters so anti-christian


The catholic church is suppose to be the number one power in western Europe at the time and Nic Cage says "i no longer serve the church." WTF. Any person at that time would have said "ok". The creators of this movie should at least have given the audience the atmosphere of the times.

They did the beginning witch scene so well. It was creepy and anyone could feel sorry for those other women. Then Nic cage comes on with his chubby face killing (supposedly) 300 men . And afterwords telling the church to screw off because they killed a girl?

If they had just cut him out it could have been a good movie.

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Its Hollywood, and today’s Hollywood has bought into the same basic idea that you can see in our Culture, or that is on display on this board, that in the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church was corrupt, evil, and the home of Superstition and Cruelty. The Politically correct version of History also says he Crusades were simply a war of Aggression by Violent Christians trying to kill Muslims out of Religious Hatred and steal their Land. This idea, to be fair, is old, going back to the Protestant Reformation in its earliest form, and progressing into the virulent Anti-Christian variety in the time o the Enlightenment.

Its now just the accepted Narrative.

Its much like how if an American writes of Colonial America, they depict the British as evil power-hungry monsters who oppressed the Poor Colonist and gave them no Freedom, and the Noble American Patriots fought for Pure Altruistic reasons like Freedom and Equality for all Men, or how in today’s minds its just accepted that the same America yielded a Civil War purely based on Slavery with the Union Forces fighting for the rights of all men and the South for Slavery.

Its no different really. The Historical Reality is forgotten and the Propaganda remembered as Fact as it fit’s the Paradigm we use to understand our modern world, and we often project onto the past out own Ideals, and thus select the version of History that best suits our prejudices. That explains why they showed the Church as Corrupt.



However, why did they show Nick Cage as a Dissenter from the Church? That relates to Hollywood’s other general trend in Movies, Anachronism. Hollywood has a tendency to think that the Audience needs a character they can relate to, and that embodies the Ideals of Modern Society, as understood by usually Politically and Socially Liberal Hollywood. Nicolas Cage and Hellboy are therefore given modern attitudes and ideals that simply out are out of place in the time period they are suppose to live in, in order to give the Audience a Hero to Root for that Embodies what is suppose to be our own Ideals.

Another movie that des this, more unforgivably, is “Kingdom OF Heaven” in which bailain of Idblin is made an Agnostic, like Ridley Scott, and set up against a backdrop of a Crusade that was really all about seizing land and gaining wealth, at the behest of a corrupt an intolerant Catholic Church that simply wants to kill the Muslims to steal their land or because they don’t like people of other Religions, and perhaps other races. The big bad Evil Catholic Church is basically rejected by Bailain in favour of a sort of modern Humanist stance on Morality, and he speaks about Ideals that are in common with today’s Democratic Culture, so we as an Audience can relate to him and see him as a Hero, or conversely absorb the idea that this is what a Hero stands for because he is the Hero. Movies, like Books, also exist to influence us to the Authors ideas.

In that way Nick Cage is a Modern Moderately Liberal Politically Left Wing man who happens to be a Medieval Knight facing the evil corrupt Catholic Church of the Middle Ages we imagine existed, so as to both fit our pre-existing prejudices and to instill in us modern values, and to provide us a Contemporary thinking man whom we can relate to as the Centre of the Story.

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Yeah, the idea of showing period movies of violent corrupt Imperialist Christians goes back to Western guilt over Empire... (plundering native lands, colonialism, etc. the Cold War esp. Vietnam all the way to regime change and nation-building in Iraq).

It's the same old anti-Catholicism archetype dusted off to embody the latest perceived moral/political failure of our times.

Perhaps some day in the far future they'll make quasi-historical movies about the clergy sex abuse scandal, which will represent some contemporary anxieties and problems in that future society.

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Simply put, most movies try to appeal to modern sensibilities. Having characters who stand for the values of the time would probably offend viewers, and this movie wasn't bold enough to risk that.

When you know that your time is close at hand maybe then you'll begin to understand - Iron Maiden

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There were dissenters/heretics, and I don't think it's unbelievable that someone would reach their limit and defy the Church. But why do you equate dissent with being anti-Christian? What they were expected to do in the name of the Church wasn't very Christian.

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Exactly! If anything the characters going against the Church are more Christian than those who blindly followed the Church's orders without actually considering the teachings of Christ. You know, the person the entire religion is based upon.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

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What's funny to me is that people like yourself cannot differentiate between the religion and the people who claim to follow it. If you actually paid attention, the Crusades go directly against the teachings of Christ.

Whatsoever you do unto the least of my brothers you do unto me.... Ring any bells? Jesus was all about showing compassion even for those who don't agree with your point of view.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

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Pay attention. They weren't anti-Christian, they were anti-corruption of the Church.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

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There were also some pro-christian messages in there. They made witches and demons real. Almost trying to justify the church burning witches in those times over superstition. They also gave power to the book, phrases in Latin, holy water, exorcism, etc. I would say the makers of the film were positing that Christianity is the right religion.

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You people read entirely too much into stupid movies.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

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yes.you re right.why the church let them go??even the kings could nt do this.and when they came to the town they arrested!!?

maybe it s like kamo(fall) they suddenly change....

but I don t think they were anti christian(at least at the end)they were expected to do in the name of the Church_killing innocent woman and kids...

sorry because of my eng.

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I personally like the way they handled Cage's character. A man who knew what he was doing was wrong and stood up for it but he didn't let it affect his faith in God. He knew to separate God from the people who were doing evil in his name.

Now if only they found a better actor.

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Its true though. He serves God. Not men. Why would you want to believe some man in a hat that God speaks to him directly? I could do that. Like the pope. Bible teaches not to worship anything or anyone other than God himself.

No way would I ever bow to some old dude in a pointy hat claiming to be special.

~I'm fighting for the Convoy~

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