Ridiculous!


I have not seen the film and I'm guessing no one on here has either. However, based upon the uneducated ramblings by some on this site, I now understand why this movie needed to be made.

I personally know many JW's. They are honest, good people. They are not part of a cult. They don't abuse children. In fact, they are one of the only religious groups that I know of that kicks out gross practicers of sin.

I wish that people would look past their prejudices and see the real message of the film. Last semester I had a civil rights class and Jehovah's Witnesses kept coming up. I found it really amazing that they had fought for so many things and won.

I hope everyone goes to see the film.

And I hope that others will not use this message board as a means to spread anti-Jehovah's Witness propaganda. This is a forum for people to discuss film, not a forum for people with an axe to grind.

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i am a jehovahs witness

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Ah, yes. Yet another witness cloaked in obscurity to lend what appears to be a "neutral" viewpoint to a board dedicated to a JW theme(film). It is quite alright to come out and say that you are a witness. No need to defend your religion with a false identity. You're not the first person to have used this little trick. It's been done many times in the past.

It is painfully obvious you are trying to defend your religion. You bring up the topics of being part of a cult and child abuse. You say that you have not seen the film, but then later you say that you wish people will "see the real message of the film." Just what is the real message of this film?(I'm very curious to know since you haven't seen it) Is your hyping of the film due to reports of other witnesses giving their approval that have seen it?

As far as you making definitive statements of fact such as "They are not part of a cult," and "They don't abuse children," might I suggest you read beyond the pages of the Watchtower and Awake magazines and educate yourself regarding these two topics. http://www.silentlambs.org is the place to start for child abuse within the organization. And simply go down this checklist to see how many bullet points fit the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society -- http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm (just substitute "Governing Body" for the word "leader.")

Why some people recommend seeing a film when they themselves haven't yet seen it baffles me.

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I'm a Jehovah's Witness as well and I'm interested in seeing this documentary.

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APOSTATE and PROUD of it.

You don't have ONE earthly leader, you have about 12, in Brooklyn, NY.

I know what I speak, I lived with abuse and torture at the hands of your stupid suit wearing pedophiles and child beaters for the better part of 14 years before escaping.

People, don't believe the hype. This IS a CULT. Plain and simple.

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Well yes, but really no. Think of the Governing Body as a board of directors. They make decisions for the smaller congregations, vote and see fit where to spend money to donate to relief work, maintain buildings or publish new literature. Calling the big guys in New York "earthy leaders" is just like calling a McDonald's manager an "earthy leader". Sure, they lead, but not in the sense that the bible says is not allowed.

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You know what is ridiculous is when people go thru a bad thing from a few bad people and then stereo type the group with which they are apart of, yeah there are some bad people in kingdom halls but not everyone is bad, there are bad people in every religion. i used to be a jehovah's witness and i grew up in and decided i just didnt want to go anymore, doesnt mean i dont still believe what the bible teaches, i knew some bad jehovahs witnesses while i went and even knew a pedo. but thats what makes him a sinner not the jehovah's witnesses in a whole. its not a cult people are free to come and go as they please! and escaping is very over exaggerating.

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Why dont you go do some reasearch on the internet on "Silent Lambs". You will see that this disgusting organization PROTECTS Pedos... tells kids they are "mistaken" and threatens pre teen female victims who are baptized with "disfellowshipping" if they do not have 2 or 3 witnesses to the rape, which of course who would since it happens when they are left alone.

I dont give a damn what anyone here says, this so called "religion" makes me want to vomit, and always will.

Goodbye. YOU are "Disfellowshipped" from my life, if you disagree. LOL

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I'm 16 and being raised as a JW. I don't believe in it but I must admit I have to respect it. I don't know what happened to you but I find it wrong you can blame an organization instead of your parents or whoever. I am a good student in school, I don't curse, drink, or smoke , and I owe it partly to this religion. Go to therapy or something. EVERYONE NEEDS A HOPE; THAT IS WHY THERE IS RELIGION. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY HOPE FROM SOMEONE? What would possess you to be so cruel?

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Belief in God of any kind belongs from the heart. Not what a bunch of men in suits tell you is right. Not what you are terrorized into believing out of fear of losing your friends, family, if you do not.

Taking this away is not cruel, it is liberation.

It's nice that you don't do those things, but I am sure you would have been fine even if you weren't a part of that cult. Other types of Christianity have the same rules, yet do not force it through fear. That is the definition of a cult, if you look it up... A group which is controlled by it's leaders through intimidation/fear of losing something important to you...

That's the B'org all over!

Wait a few years til you see what the world has to offer kid, if you make it out of there without becoming a baptized drone. You will feel differently about it, as all do who leave.

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People that hate Jehovah's Witnesses are like robots that preach the same hateful message over and over again. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and if I wanted to hide who I was, I certainly would not let my neighbors know, like I do. It must be a sad unhappy life to be devoted to such hate. I am so glad I belong to the happy God. I have been one of Jehovah's Witnesses for two years and I investigated the websites that are mentioned here when I began to study with Jehovah's Witnesses in early 2000. These sites are full of hate, and are transparent as to the intent of the messages presented there. It's a shame that ones live their lives, or waste their lives participating in such business. Their messages are remarkably and errily similar to the same hate propaganda spread by Adolf Hitler about the Jewish people, and we all no what that led to, a horrible mass murder of millions of innocent people. Think for yourselves, don't be fooled by such ones as they try to lead you to a prejudiced opinion. I did not jump on their band wagon and I have a very joyful life because of it. I am sure this response will be met by yet another, hateful response, ridiculing Jehovah's Witnesses, picking apart my words in order to further their cause.

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Forgive this response which takes us all off topic...

wonderfullifeathome,

Two things I would like to point out...

First, it is very unlikely that jordan_l is a Jehovah's Witness. If he is, he is so very new to the organization that he doesn't understand the errors in his post. Primarily, his statement "..they are one of the only religious groups that I know of that kicks out gross practicers of sin." is not accurate. Jehovah's Witnesses do not kick sinners out of their organization, but rather "disfellowship" someone who is non-repentant. To be disfellowshiped is to simply be shunned. A disfellowshipped member is still allowed to attend service and participate in the faith, but he or she is to be avoided by other members on all matters except those relating to family or business. In other words, a member can commit the worst of sins, but if he or she is not repentant then he or she is refused social interaction.

Second, your links used as reference are painfully weak and opinionated. The first (silentlambs.org) attempts to identify itself as a child abuse action and awareness resource, but it is dominated by anti-Watchtower opinion and skewed facts. The second link (cult checklist found on csj.org) uses a list of general statements that would apply to any religious organization. Jehovah's Witnesses, Later Day Saints, Catholics, Baptists, Pentecosts, and many other religions would qualify for each list item.

I will be happy to debate any of these points in any approprate open forum.

Yours,
Robert


About me:

No, I'm not a Jehovah's Witness... but I did stay at a Holiday Inn.

In my life, I have participated in multiple fellowships with Catholics, Baptists, Pentecosts, and Jehovah's Witnesses. Each at their respective places of worship. These participations have numbered in the thousands, cummulatively.

My education comes from having been married to a Jehovah's Witness who was disfellowshiped when we met. My family now includes many Witnesses... all of whom want me to convert, but aren't anywhere close to winning me over.

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I don't think God is out to WIN anyone over, but desires that you would chose life and do things HIS way. Making HIM your number ONE, not your mate, like Adam chose.

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"Winning me over" is just a figure of speech.

Also, your comment is out of context. I said the family was trying to win me over... I did not say God was.

Robert

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Adam owns.

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funny how somebody who has never experienced a day as one of Jehovah's Witnesses all of a sudden thinks their an "expert" on the religion. Web sites don't prove squat!

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Unfortunately Jehovahs Witnesses dont have a personal opinion only the one they're told to have.
Oh thats right the earth is 6000 years old and man and dinosaurs existed together.
And that light your seeing from stars millions of light years away is what fairy dust?

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mankind is over 6000 years old
the earth and animal life: we don't know how old...eons of time!
We all have personal opinion but they are shaped by what the Bible truthfully reveals and says.
That's my opinion.

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Bardlee is just another moron. He accuses us of just listening to whatever told us what to say and meanwhile while he is trying to criticize us he gets the information totally wrong. I love it! NOW who is the one that can't get the facts for themselves and only parrots what he reads on the net?

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I thought it was a good movie...

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Yeah, uhm... That's not what they believe. You should do some fact checking before you troll boards. I was raised as a Witness but am no longer of faith. My grandmother died as a result of her refusing a blood transfusion. I hold no ill will towards Witnesses. I think that it's silly for people to criticize an entire religion for the actions of a few (in regards to sexual abuse). I'm sure that things like this have happened just like they have happened in all religions, because religion is made up of people and people are imperfect. End of Story.

It is kind of weird to see Witnesses being angry and defensive on a message board, though.

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i couldnt agree more,i was also raised as a jehovahs witness,now i consider my self as a non-beleiver of all religons. i have looked at these websites about sexual abuse among witnesses but like you said this goes on everywhere.look at the catholic church for example!!!there are bad people everywhere that is unavoidable but i also beleive hate and judgement is wrong as well. and as for the cult thing...i just dont get that...i guess all religons can be called cults then,yes jehovahs witnesses are a little intense but theyre other other religons similar in intenstity that are not considered cults.

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Also raised as a Witness the person talking about paedophiles, need to get of the hash and start talking sense.

All religions have paedophiles unfortunately

All religions cannot give out information to others people should know that
(mass when going to confession whatever is said the priest has to keep quiet about)

If the person is a threat in the Kingdom Hall (church) then he will be removed, he cannot get baptised, as he is commiting a big sin. Other religions I believe will baptise just to get numbers, whatever the person is, plus we may judge this person whom is a paedophile but we must also give em the benefit of the doubt if he is trying to change, even thou it may disgust us, and trust me it disgusts a lot. Other religions will play ignorant to it.

Jehovahs Witnesses may look as thou they are nut jobs, as many a person has said to me, they are zealots they are this they are that. But I have to disagree. They follow the bible, the word of God. They follow values and keep to it, The try and not break commandments, althou if they do they are imperfect just like the paedofile or any other person for that matter.

They believe in the same god as everyone else, Yahweh, Hallelujah( Praise Jah) Jah being an Abbreviation of Jehovah.

I could go on all night but id end up talking rubbish seeing i was only brought up from Young to 16 I may not have my facts right so i apologise, was never baptised. But I experienced blood issue, and well i am here talking to you today. Hit by a car, needed a lot of blood, didnt take it and took other remedies and (Yuck) beetroot juice, salt crisps and dark chocolate(YUM!) and shibang, i am talking rubbish on here lol

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My sympathies on the loss of your grandmother. I'm glad you hold no ill will toward Witnesses.

That being said, your grandmother didn't die as a result of not accepting a blood transfusion. She died from whatever illness or injury she had.

I also agree that it is inappropriate for Witnesses to sound angry and/or defensive on a message board. That doesn't set a good example.

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Jehovah's Witnesses have never believed that the earth is 6000 years old. Where in the world did you or anyone else get that idea? Catholics and others believe that. There is definately some confusion here as to who believes what.

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All Witnesses know that the world is 4.6 Billion Years old.

This gallexy is trillion times older. And the universe was one of Jehovahs inventions an unfathomable time befor that. Or did god create time afterwards? Now thats a good question.

The idea is that Mankind is 6 thousand years old. This is controversial but not necissarilly unscientific. If the global flood of Noah changed the Earths atmosphere severly. It may have adjusted some of the baselines used in modern date ing.

Crazy? Well maybe, after all Im only a histoy major. I dont know crap about science.

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You're confusing us with Seventh Day Adventists (a common mistake, for some reason.) JWs don't believe the earth is only 6000 years old. This is, in fact, "ridiculous." JWs certainly believe in a Creator, but do not buy into Creationism.

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Like some others here, I too was raised as a Witness. Several members of my family are still part of the organization.

Without going into detail, let me state upfront that I am an atheist and harbor a good deal of resentment towards the organization, not only for the many unspeakable things that have happened to my family as a result of ever having participated in this religion, but also for the things I see them doing to others every day.

That said, JWs have done us a great favor by fighting legal battles which have expanded our rights. For this, I am grateful.

As to the question of them being a cult: in a social sense, they are in fact a "cult" because they discourage association with the outside world. Whether or not the other meanings of the term apply to them is arguable.

Please bear in mind that one can find good or bad in anything. This documentary would be interesting to see, but I sincerely doubt it will change the way I think about JWs, given my experience with them.

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Well, as far as discouraging association with the outside world.

I'm a witness, and thats not exactly true. It would be impossible to not have association with the "outside world."

We are only encouraged to "be careful" and watch our associations. 1 Cor 15:33 sums it all up "Do not be misled. Bad associations spoils useful habits."

Thats all it is.

I'm a witness, and I have plenty of friends who are not witnesses.

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I am a 25 year old Witness, I've been Diss’ed and reinstated so my view point is a little conflicting. I feel like I have to state that first....

But as for facts.....
If you have older literature, for instant the 'Aid to Bible Understanding' which was the first version of the 'Insight' books it says the earth will be 6,000 years old in 1975.
That is where that belief of stay alive for 75 came from. It was believed to be the beginning of the 1,000 year reign.

It also says the 607 date that begins and connects to the 1914 date has no historical proof. It’s under 'Chronology'. That spot that admits questions to the date has been removed from the Insight Book.

The thing with the witness {my faith, some stuff I'm unsure of} is that there have been mistakes, mistakes you don't hear about. For instance 'Beth-Sarim' BIG MISTAKE!! Along with plenty others.

There is a lot of good things, and its the only way I know, but what I have learned is not to just except everything that the Society hands me. My main beliefs follow the organization but mainly come from my bible research.

So mush to say but I don't want to rant......ANY ORGANIZATION THAT CONTROLS YOU CAN BE CONSIDERED A CAULT, the problem for some people{most} is they let there life become governed by the Governing Body {whether its 1914 or oral copulation}, of course if you don't you get diss’ed, but I guess that is the catch 22.

As far as child abuse........I'm sure it happens, "the world is lying in the power of the wicked one."

For any Witness I highly suggest {my opinion means nothing} reading 'CRISES in CONSCIENCE' written by Raymond Franz .....He was a member of the Governing Body {check him on wikipedia}. its very informative, and if you have old magazines or books {or if you want to get stuff off ebay} you can research his statements.

GREAT BOOK.

As for 'Knocking' the directors a genius, he made a move that will have a 6 million plus fane base. I'd like to see it.

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um, Raymond Franz wasn't a member of the Governing Body, it was his uncle.

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"Raymond Franz was a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses from 1971 until 1980"

That’s a quote from wikipedia {I know wikipedia can be written by loons}.
His uncle was the lead writer and then the president after Nohr died until I believe 92'

I don't really have time to find a good resource for you {is their a truily reliable source besides the WL cd} I'm currently at work. I haven’t seen anything that says other wise; tomorrow and the next day I'll be off, I'll see if I can find something in the WL cd.

Thanks for responding I've been stopping by here periodically.

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Raymond Franz was also disfellowshipped for apostasy.

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SEE??? Right THERE... PROOF that they don't think for themselves.

WHO THE HELL are YOU to tell someone what they should or should not read? Are you SOOOO afraid that maybe they MIGHT see the truth in all we have said about you being a CULT member?

I strongly suggest you read whatever you want. It's YOUR CHOICE... Not the B'org's.

Resistance is NOT futile, it is LIBERATION from the Cult.

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Barb67, your hatred towards the Witnesses is obvious to all.

If you don't agree with what we do, fine. You don't have to. But to criticize a religion you don't even belong to is silly. Non-Witnesses do not set policies for Witnesses. It's that simple. If someone does not want to abide by the Bible's policies, our policies, then they cannot call themselves a JW. It has nothing to do with politics or the law. These are religious matters, and the Bible, along with God's Holy Spirit, decides what actions should be taken when it comes to religious matters. You may not like, I might not even like it. But that is Jehovah's will.

One more time: Non-Witnesses do no set policies for Witnesses.

Only Jehovah does. The fact that you are so adamant on dissuading people from accepting Jehovah's Witnesses as a valid religion shows how proud you are of being a troll and an apostate. If you truly did not respect the Witnesses, you would make it a point not to involve them in your lives. But you purposely berate their religion, as if you have nothing better to do.

Ask yourself: Who are you really working for?

I know the answer, and I suspect that you do, too.

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LOL You crack me up!

That's your answer for everything... Satan the Devil... Demonized... oh geez how stupid does that word sound LOL

Now, just for the record... I do NOT hate Jehovah's Witnesses. I pity them. They are not any different than any other poor lonely soul who got hit by a "Love Bomb" and got drawn into a cult that is run by a group of men.

You spout the rhetoric of the society, and try to tell others not to read something. If you DO think for yourself, then what in the world can a little book do to sway you from "Jehovah's" love?

You are taught to avoid any and all material that might open your eyes to the fact that this is NOT religion... It's s CULT. Plain and simple.

Religion is freedom of choice. You will never hear a catholic, protestant, jew or born again christian tell someone NOT TO READ something. It may be suggested that it will make you want to sin, but that's about it.

Only JWs are FORBIDDEN to read anti JW material. In fact, all other religions ENCOURAGE so called apostate material to be read, so as to be aware of the differences.

Any group that tries to control what someone thinks, feels, or reads, is a CULT.

You're a Cult member, not a member of a benign organized christian religion.

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"If you DO think for yourself, then what in the world can a little book do to sway you from "Jehovah's" love?"

Plenty. A "little" book can contain apostate (demonic) material that would be unsuitable for any Christian, not just JW's. Encouraging (not demanding) that your members avoid such material is a safeguard. BTW, reading non-JW literature is not in itself grounds for disfellowshipping. If a JW sadly felt inclined to view such material, he/she would still be in good standing as long as he/she did not teach or promote any ideas from within it.

And you have not and cannot justify labeling our religion as a cult. It is a desperate, baseless claim.

"Religion is freedom of choice."

Terribly wrong. The problem with most religions today is that their members are allowed to choose which parts of the Bible they wish to ignore and which they will obey. Is it not true that Catholics choose to be homosexuals, despite the Bible's prohibition against it? Isn't it true that so-called religious people choose to murder, lie, fornicate, etc., thereby bringing reproach on themselves and (more importantly) their religion? No, religion is, and always has been, about restriction, rejecting your human, sinful tendencies in an effort to bring your lifestyle in harmony with what God has laid out for us. Never in human history has God ever given mankind the right to "choose" how they will worship him. The Israelites were given COMMANDMENTS (not suggestions); they were given LAW (not options). And when they did choose to disobey him, guess what happened?

The fact that you believe that people can choose what they want to do and still consider themselves religious gives me (us) a window into your thinking method. Too many people want to change religion to suit themselves, instead of changing themselves to fit God's standards.

"will never hear a catholic, protestant, jew or born again christian tell someone NOT TO READ something."

Untrue. These religions and more have encouraged their members not to read a lot, including (but not limited to) JW publications. Not calling them out for this is hypocrisy. There should be no double standard.

"Any group that tries to control what someone thinks, feels, or reads, is a CULT."

The Bible, by it's very nature, is intended to influence how we think and feel. We are encouraged to consider God's thoughts (to the best of our ability), we are encouraged to feel the fruitage of the spirit (Galatians 5:22, 23). The Bible itself encourages us to read and meditate on it (1 Timothy 4:15).

Therefore, according to your definition, any group that uses the Bible could then be classified as a cult. And if you consider the Bible to be the Word of God, then all people who read his Word are consequently cultists.

As long as any group can make a valid claim as to why their teachings are Bible-based, they can't be viewed as a cult.

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How 'bout a game of chess? Can I sell you some girl scout cookies? ;)

"Line o' duty. Line o' duty my ass, line o' dirty more like it."

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Wow barb. Your are a tool. I was raised as a JW but have not been one for some years, evil people are everywhere but at least the bible warns us that their would be ones in the organisation who are there to corrupt. I knew a pedo who got caught and now he is rotting in jail where he deserves. He was never their for religious gain only for his perverted mind. But for you to tar a whole group because of one or two people shows are immature your brain (or lack of one) has grown.

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In regards to Beth-Sarim, have you ever read "Jehovah's Witnesses--Proclaimers of God's Kingdom." This book is a history book about Jehovah's Witnesses published by the Watchtower Society. In it they mention Beth-Sarim and why it was built.

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Last week or maybe two week ago, I was looking up stuff on the 'Creation Drama' {I ordered it from Ebay and just got it in the mail, I wanted to compare pitchers from that and the Proclaimers book} I came across Beth-sirim in there; I didn't get a chance to read it yet, I was one track minded.

But I'll check it out.

Also the, I believe KM-80/2 announcements section says that Raymond Franz is no longer a member of the GB. I might be off by the month, I checked it out today. Search his name on the WL CD.

My point is not that My religion is horrible, I am very sincere in what I say, I have deep affection for the Organization, but I do feel the book is a great read through on events that you will not hear about other wise in detail.

Thank you for checking back.

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All I have to say to this entire board is that all people are free to make their own decisions regarding religion. I was born and raised a Jehovah's Witness and intend to be one until the day I die. I am not getting angry and defensive by this board either. It is quite clear that those who have responded in a negative way are just ignorant and have no idea what they are talking about. Look at all the other religions in the world, even so called christians, they still have so much hate for each other. There are priests and pastors out there molesting children and having immoral homosexual relationships. These ones aren't criticized for their actions. Meanwhile, Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones trying to do what the Bible requires to the best of their ability as imperfect humans, and they get so much heat for what they believe. Some people may say that Jehovah's Witnesses think they are perfect, but on the contrary, we are the only ones who will admit to being imperfect, but still waiting for a time when all will be perfect. That is a totally different subject. I hope that all who have read this will understand and hopefully take the time to talk to a Jehovah's Witness the next time they come knocking at your door. Maybe they should ask a few questions so as not to be so ignorant as to what the witnesses teach and believe. Then the next time they come on boards like these, they won't be putting there foots in there mouths so to speak.

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I definitely agree with raerae2019. In addition to that, i guess everyone will agree that this is not the proper forum to discuss/criticise or defend one's belief. People are asked about what they can say about the movie not about if JWs are bad people or if they are good people. I believe the title of the movie can show us more where these "subjects" being brought up can be properly addressed and tackled and that is at the comforts of your homes whenever a witness "knocks" at your doorsteps. Have a great day everybody.

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I was raised a Witness, and I'm 20 now, and I'm kind of on the fence about it. I'm not disfellowshipped or dissassociated, but I'm not attend meetings right now. The reasons for me feeling the way I do is just because my personal experience as a Witness was adding too much stress to my life, but this is due to a lot of factors, mainly being that I live with my parents, who aren't the smartest people in the world and tend to get kind of nuts when it comes to their beliefs.

But regardless, I am very interested in this movie. Anything that gives an honest view of Witnesses is great. The problem with people who criticize Witnesses is that they expect every single Witness to be exactly the same, to follow what they should be following to the letter. The fact is that people are people, this is true in ever religion. People will slip up, make mistakes, it happens.

One thing I do feel a lot of Witnesses need to do is get a wider viewpoint than they have. I feel strongly that a lot of people I know personally who are Witnesses only remain such because they don't want to break up families and such. I have a huge family, big on both sides, and 90% of them are Witnesses. If I left, I would be completely cut off from not just the family, but most of the friends I grew up with. The knowledge that your life will be changed so drastically can be a powerful thing.

If you look at the history of Witnesses, with both the viewpoint of a Witness and a non-Witness in mind, it is a little rocky, and anyone who disagrees isn't thinking for themselves. The Society has made a lot of mistakes in their past, made prophesies that didn't happen, stuff like that. It's easy to say that Jehovah reveals the truth in his own time and his own way, but it's just as easy to say the Witnesses aren't really as close to God as they think. The New World Translation is blasted by a number of Bible scholars. It was written under the Witnesses, and a lot of people have accused the Organization of translating it in a such a way to agree with Witness doctrine. I don't agree with these claims necessarily, but if you think about it, it makes everything the Witnesses do seem awfully interesting. Sure, they do everything they do because it says so in the Bible, but if that Bible is catered to what they believe, then it kind of works out nicely, doesn't it? Realize that a lot of what Witnesses, or anyone, believe isn't written plain out in the Bible. "There is no real Hell." "Disfellowship members who sin and don't repent." "No tattoos or piercings." These things are based on small passages, certain translations or interpretations.

I think that too many Witnesses do follow the Society blindly because maybe they don't know any better. Or to them, the Society saying "What we say is true because the Bible says so." Is enough reason. And if that works for people, then more power to them. Ignorance is bliss, right? Not that ignorance means they are wrong, not at all. But the biggest mistake anyone can make, Witness or not, is thinking they know everything, the whole picture. No one really does, except God himself, and just as Witnesses disagree with a lot of things other religions do, a lot of other religions disagree with what Witnesses do.

I am surprised though, pretty much all of the Witnesses posting on here have a pretty neutral viewpoint and seem like great people. Too often do I see a Witness discussion somewhere online that features some idiot Witness kid who thinks they know everything and gives them all a bad name by being completely ignorant of anyone who thinks differently than them.

And again, I was raised a Witness and know very well what they teach and believe, and I am definitely not an apostate, I respect Jehovah's Witnesses very much and wish you all the very best in life.

P.S. Everyone on here should give the Wiki on J-Dubs a read. True, Wikipedia can be edited by anyone with the Internet, but it is run by a team of editors and pages must be verified with reliable sources and such, and if they aren't verified the page will tell you so right on the top. The Wiki on J-Dubs is verified, so none of it is apostate or false or anything. It's just an interesting read that gives a good history on the Organization and a lot of things that the Society doesn't really talk about (I don't mean to say they hide things from people, just saying that only reading what the Society says makes it hard to have a balanced viewpoint, something everybody should have)

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The New World Translation is blasted by a number of Bible scholars. It was written under the Witnesses, and a lot of people have accused the Organization of translating it in a such a way to agree with Witness doctrine. I don't agree with these claims necessarily, but if you think about it, it makes everything the Witnesses do seem awfully interesting. Sure, they do everything they do because it says so in the Bible, but if that Bible is catered to what they believe, then it kind of works out nicely, doesn't it?

Well, there's enough ways to find out for yourself which Bible translation you want to use and what differences there actually are between them: Compare the lot of them. The only thing it takes is time.

And noone should have a religion just because one was raised with it, not if you take religion seriously, as something more than just culture, as something like guide for your life. It has to be because you're using your God-given mental abilities to think about what you want out out of life and take into consideration facts to come to your own conviction. And that's what so few people are doing in today's world, be it any topic: what to eat, what to wear, what films to see, where to go, which profession to take up..... And that's why strong-willed people even if they have questionable opinions are able to draw masses after them. The only thing to protect you from that is having a firm, personal conviction. And not just firm in the way that you feel strongly about it, but that you actually know the reasons why you think/behave the way you do. Then noone can tell you otherwise, unless they come up with something better. But, if we were all capable of doing that 100% we'd be perfect, and that we're not. But JWs sure do try - and if there are some that don't then they're not yet JW in the truest sense of the meaning (and may not stay JW forever) - but then none really are. It's important that regardless of what religion we have or don't have we try to better ourselves every day, though knowing that we can't ever succeed out of our own strength in achieving perfection....

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I would just like to say that Jehovahs witnesses dont just use the new world translation. alot of refrences in our publications refer to the king james or other bibles. so we don just base our bible on our beliefs. the only reason the new world was written was to make it easier to understand, without all the thou's and shalt's.

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yeah thats true...i am a jw and we have many diff versions...they are almost the same but to me the NWT is the easiest to understand and read

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Noah was doing the same things which JW are doing now. Nothing changed since that time. Theres a warning which people have to respond but its up to their free decisions. Noah was all alone with his family but now JW can use some media portals which they can reach a lot people with this way. Whatever your religion is you have research somethings. what is really going on this world? seems this doc can help people.

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To the poster above me, I'm sorry but your sheer ignorance is humorous. I'm assuming you're an apostate, because people that actually don't have circumstances that fog their view on the subject of JW's would realize that they are nowhere near being a cult, and that they are actually good people.

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The film was well done and represented both sides fairly

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please. when you say some you must mean a very very ignorant few.

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well whatever it is that was a very small number of witnesses if any.

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what an idiotic statement.. so typical of those who are misinformed....who speaks of this "scandal" anymore ...oh wait I guess you do.

And just for your information Jehovah's Witnesses don't frown upon independent thought and there are UCLA, USC, CAL State LA, SMC, CSUN, LACC, etc students and UCLA law students that are Jehovah's Witnesses. dont believe everything you hear but that might be too compilicated for you not to do.

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wow how little you really know. how misinformed you truly are. its actually kind of sad. Ah yes we go to peoples doors and as soon as they open the door we scream out YOUR REILGION IS WRONG! give me a break alot of people we meet at the doors are responsive and thank us for our effort and do listen. When have things changed? Witnesses have been going to college for years. Dont waste your time posting websites with false inforamtion I wont look at them you might as well keep them to yourself.

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wow this is hilarious brainwashed whew!! thats the funniest thing ive heard all morning!

thanks for the laugh


just about the only real thing you've supppiled!


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wow you really are determined to prove such an invalid point I've grown tired of talking to such an unreasonable person

compile a list? ooh so you can have something to do today
thats okay, go sell that to someones else cause Im not buying


have fun trolling the boards

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sigh just because u dont agree with what im saying doesnt mean i havent made a valid point

im not going to reveal my age, creep

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i know the answers but why explain them to you your just going to get defensive and explain yet again..all the reasons why you think they are wrong why waste the time..im not brainwashed I have my own mind you seem a little brainwashed because you keep saying the same thing.

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worst? wow your right now thats hilarious!

When someone ask me to explain my religion I do in depth and usually the reasonable people I talk to will say oh okay thanks for explaining or calmly say well thats what you believe.

Alot of people arent such jerks as you think.

I can answer your questions i choose not to because its a waste you dont want to really hear it you just want another excuse to spread your lies and tell yet again your "story"

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welfare? wow i guess you work for the government now and are privy to this info. oh wait or was that from another website? you just don't stop .

class is over this has been fun


have a great life living in bitterness

your, you're who cares imdb boards aren't big on punctuation


toddlers arguing wow! thats an immature illustration in itself

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knocking was kind of short?

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Hahadolly;

If you're referring to the actual film as shown on PBS, it had to fit within the time constraints for their programming, however if you have, or can rent the DVD, you'll find that there are hours of educational resource material from a Rabbi, a representative of the ACLU, an English professor--her last name is King--I can't recall her first, doctor(s), and a representative of Jehovah's Witnesses.

In addition, a booklet comes with the DVD and seems as though it was included, and possibly intended for a classroom setting.

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I was referring to the DVD. I enjoyed the booklet as well.

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