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May its just me but it seemed a little racist when...


Maybe its just me, but does anyone else think the scene (in the railway camp) where Carver goes for his horse was a little racist - and completely unnecessary? In case it passed you by, Carver goes to get his horse, some Chinese immigrant workers are in his way and he then bitch slaps the hell out of one and they all go into submission mode.

I get that the Chinese immigrants were treated like crap but this scene makes no sense and doesn't really seem to serve a purpose either!

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I took it to be just down to expediency. They were used to being treated like that by white men, he knew that, and although he didnt enjoy slapping the chinese character, that wasnt in his nature to act like that, he did it just to hasten his departure thats all, it was that or be caught & killed.

Thats the way it seemed to me anyway.


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I think it was very clear in the scene that Carver did not enjoy this, but rather regretted it.

The Chinese, set to guard the horse, blocked his way since they did not know him to be their superior. You see a very remorseful look on Brosnans face as he sees this, and then he backhands the chinese, showing them that he is their superior and they should move, which they do.

He regretfully hits them to get them to move.

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I think you're a little confuse? Liam Neeson is Carver and Brosnan is Gideon but you may be right! also calling the Irish worker "Paddy boy" which is a bit rich coming from an Irish actor!

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'also calling the Irish worker "Paddy boy" which is a bit rich coming from an Irish actor'

Yeah... because he wrote the script didn't he...

He did to get a rise from the guy and escape, thats exactly what happened.

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Actually he didn't, Try looking at the credits.

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Sarcasm is wasted on some people.

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That's the most ridiculous statement ever made.

How's the weather on Planet Walters?

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HHmmm 'bitch slapped'.

Maybe it's me but, isn't that a bit SEXIST?

Oh yes. I forgot. That's ok isn't it? That's not worthy of rebuke is it coz slappin biches is just something we all have to accept!

GOOD GRIEF YOU HIPOCRITE.

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Heheh...you just have to love that word....bitch slap...I sounds so...right
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Ah man, some funny responses. Thanks to the guy that had to point out my sarcasm too...

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Wait, "bitch slapped" is a sexist comment? Really? Forgive me but I thought that s just what you called it.

Well, I guess this shows once and for all why you shouldn't learn English by watching American TV/film...

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Here's another one, anally retentive.

Got to offend someone surely.

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Some peeps are just kids even if they are over 30. There are infants being BURNED alive, little girls RAPED, young boys IMPALED in this movie; and your offended by a grown man being slapped in the face??? Just because the others where "white" its "necessary" and as soon as a minority gets mishandled you scream racism. Grow up and live up to your nic and "relax" and act as though you were born in 1977 and not 1997.

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Mobed, who hurt you?

I would offer you a hug and a cold beer but I doubt we live in the same corner of the world so instead I will offer you the only thing I can - an explanation of my original post.

Firstly, I'm not "screaming racism". You seem to be under the impression that I am deeply offended by this scene and that I'm calling for a boycott of the film. I'm not. Quite the opposite, I thought this move was great! Now I realize that the term "racism" provokes strong emotion in many people and it was for that very reason I chose to use it. I wanted a discussion, I wanted to hear what other fans/critics of the film had to say and had I phrased it in boring terms I doubt many would even have bothered to read it. Never the less, it was not presented as a statement of fact, but as a question. I asked for the opinion of others on a scene in a movie (on an internet site devoted to movies no less!), that is all.

Secondly, I fail to see your point. Yes there are far, FAR worse things happening in this movie. (Not exactly sure where the "little girls RAPED, young boys IMPALED" part happened though...) Does this in any way shape or form prohibit me from discussing a minor issue or trivial part of the movie? The reason I posted this one was because (as you may or may not have noticed) the major themes in this movie are already discussed elsewhere. I probably could have started a topic on the snow in the movie and if it was white enough but that would have been boring. Instead I chose a topic I though would be fun and interesting to discuss, a topic you were free to ignore if you did not agree.

But that brings me to my last point. This is an open discussion on the internet and you are most certainly welcome to your opinion. In fact I thank you for your participation as well as your concern about my levels of personal maturity and state of mind. I am flattered and humbled by the fact that of all the people on this world wide web you chose to vent your frustrations on, you chose ME. Should you require more release you are most welcome to rail at me (and my topic even!) some more. If it would help, feel free to take some shots at my supposed appearance, sexual prefrence and/or dead relatives.

I live to serve.

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First of thank you for a gracious answer. I’m sort of a person that am usually right on an issue, but am also quick to admit when I’m wrong. In fact I quite enjoy it, because whenever I realize my wrongs I can correct it and stand a little taller. And so it is in this instance that I stand corrected. To some degree at least… I still believe that, that scene was not motivated by racism, but rather as I tried to show in my previous post a “package of violence” that comes with the main characters of the movie. (Little girls RAPED, young boys IMPALED also did happen, the rape attempt of the young girl in the cabin, and impaling of the youngest member of the chasing gang by a booby trap)

But that’s not important, what’s important is where you are right in pointing out certain fact:

• “”Never the less, it was not presented as a statement of fact, but as a question. I asked for the opinion of others on a scene in a movie (on an internet site devoted to movies no less!), that is all.””

Well this is the main and important part where you are correct; it was simply a question and as such the more or less impolite response was uncalled for and I apologize.

• “”Of all the people on this world wide web you chose to vent your frustrations on, you chose ME.””


Well your correct on this point to a degree, I was generally frustrated that day due to people attributing any misconduct that was directed to a “minority” as racism. While it can be that it often isn’t. That person or groups of persons are generally ill tempered and are misconducting themselves as rule not as an exception towards any race. The US primaries were one of the episodes that frustrated me that day. And again wrong to single you out as sum of those sentiments.

I hope your comments where not meant as sarcastic and where genuine and as such prompted to me to correct myself and say where I was wrong. Cheers.

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Mobed, I am often surprised by people but rarely in a good way! Thank you for your gracious apology, finding one of those on an internet board is extremely rare! I assure you my response was not sarcastic and I understand completely - we are all only human after all and we all get frustrated. No harm done.

"Well your correct on this point to a degree, I was generally frustrated that day due to people attributing any misconduct that was directed to a “minority” as racism. While it can be that it often isn’t. That person or groups of persons are generally ill tempered and are misconducting themselves as rule not as an exception towards any race."

With that sentiment I agree completely! Believe me, as a white South African I'm willing to bet I get to deal with this a lot more than you. Then again, maybe not - I don't have your life and I will not presume to know what it's like.

Anyway, takes a big person to admit they made a mistake and those seem to be in short supply. I appreciate your reply. Cheers!

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Oh stop it already... I can't type properly due to all the tears! <grin>

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There's room in this group hug! C'mon, you know you want in!

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I prefer the term "pimp hand" and "pimp slap" which avoid the sexist implications of "bitch slap". :)

Hitting the Chinese chap, would that be a Chinky-Chop ?



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lmao @ all of this.

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young boys IMPALED


Wow, I didn't know that sensationalism worked on forums.

But seriously, I'm not sure if you appreciate the generally accepted connotations of the word "impaled".

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That scene involving Carter slapping the Chinese railroad worker out of his way is historically accurate. It's a real problem these days with people, oh so sentitive people, judging the past using their oh so enlightened contemporary standards. If you don't like United State History, hell, go burn a flag. Be somebody. The Supreme Court won't care, but a military veteran may kick your ass.

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Thankfully, this represented another time when everyone was not screaming racism for every single situation. I don't think it would have mattered who was in front of the corral, he was going to knock them out of the way. He did not go looking for another race and then deck them.

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do you undertsand this movie is set in 1863 and refelcts the attirudes of the times?

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What a PC dumbass

Anything played wrong twice in a row is the beginning of an arrangement. FZ

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