Dreadful uniform


What is it about armies in the middle east that they find it impossible to complete simple tasks like donning a beret in the correct manner? IE these women who are supposed to be soldiers and also the Iraqi army. They wear their berets like suet puddings. And leave the tapes at the rear untrimmed. It looks farcical and slovenly and the rest of the uniform is absolutly dreadful. They seem to be totally undisciplined. I can't imagine that kind of back aswering NCOs being tolerated in the British army. These girly soldiers need a few weeks at Catterick.

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The British army is a very disciplined group of professionals who fight for their unit and a paycheck. The Israelis achieve the same goal (persuading people to risk their lives for strangers ) differently. The IDF is literally fighting for their homes and families. Last time the Brits had to do this was 1066.

Being essentially a militia army, the Israelis are also notorious for a certain indiscipline that disappears the moment the bullets start flying.

Anyway, in Pattons famous words, the purpose of a soldier is to make the other poor sun-of-a-bitch die for his country. It is not to look pretty. In WW2, the Italians had the best-looking uniforms. A military maxim goes "victory generally goes to the side with the worst uniforms". The Israelis have proved this repeatedly.

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The IDF is literally fighting for their homes and families. Last time the Brits had to do this was 1066.
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Excuse me, but the last times the British had to fight for their home and families was 1940-1945, not 1066.

The Israelis are dominant not because they have the "worst" uniforms but because they have superior, American-supplied firepower, specifically, airpower. Also, since you're quoted Patton, allow me to remind you that he demanded spit-and-polish in his troops. His own personal attire was always meticulous and well-tailored. So much for your dubious military maxim.

You must be quite young. You certainly are not as well-informed as you seem to think you are.

BTW, there is no such word as "indiscipline."

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It was pretty clear that the first poster was talking about enemy presence on the ground, in England itself, with the 1066 comment.

As for large scale tactics, the air superiority that American made fighters provides cannot be denied, but when it comes to anti-terror ground patrols, or small unit conflicts in urban areas, training and experience are much more important than equipment.

None of the above really require any kind of uniform.

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I agreed with drp-6. The Afghans wipe out the British Army in 1842, and they were not wearing fancy clothes and eventually force to British to withdraw from their country. The Dutch Boers won the 1st Boer War in 1888 against the British Army, and then they won the 2nd Boer War in the long run when they became the nation of South Africa even though they basically wore civilian clothes; however, they could shoot straight and ride like the devil. In the movie The Alamo with John Wayne, one Alamo defender stated that the Mexican Army was a pretty army because of its colorful uniforms. Another defender stated that pretty uniforms don't make a fighting man.

The Flying Tigers and their successor the 23rd Fighter Group did not have a military bearing appearance; however, their air victories were due to the air discipline and tactics that General Chennault had taught them. Another reason for the so called "poor" military appearance of both the pilots and planes in both groups was that their theater of operations (China-India-Burma) was at the bottom of the priority list for supplies including spare parts, soaps, razor blades, and clothing. However, General Stillwell and his air commander General Bissell were always complaining about military bearing and appearance of both groups and did not do a thing to improve the morale of both fighter groups.

At the uniform inspection in the movie, it seems that the police chief superintendent just did a casual inspection of the troops and didn't seem to care much about appearance and look very tired. Finally, the Israelis had seen and read about how other countries' armed forces constantly misuse and abuse the terms "discipline", "military bearing", "military conduct", "spit and polish" and "military parade ground drill" too many times and did not want that to happen in their own forces. Those mention items will only take you so far in creating a good unit with fine morale.

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What do you expect. These are very young women doing a job most have no interest in doing. They aren't going to shave their berets or take as much pride in them, becuase they are standard issue. They aren't "earned" in the same manner as most militaries. I brought back a couple iraqi berets and said the same thing. Just remember the Israli's don't have an all volunteer miltary like we do (UK & US.)

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Well, the loose way the girl wear their uniforms in this film were there to deliever a message-"these girls are highscoolish girly girls -this sort of work doesn't fit them, and so are those manly clothes which are 'forced 'on them.
It is not that far fetched,and alot of girls in the I.D.F do look ridicouls and have a 'forced' feeling in uniforms.There are also girls who take quite a pride in their service and try to look at best in uniform:such charcters don't appear in this film..The barett,though,is very commonly shaved: )

The comparison of The British army girls who personally chose by all means to sereve in the army and the Israeli girls that the reality had chose for them to join the army (though many girls-almost half I think- of the Israeli girls in those ages do not serve in the army)kind of misses the point.The British girls are taking pride in their spcieal choice by looking good in uniform;for the Israeli girls it's alot of time wearin unfiroms is just a grey ,day-to-day, burdensome task and some even feel they are forced to disconnect with their feminity(I, for once, liked being in the I.D.F but was plainly suffering from the need to wear uniforms ).Some girls do take spcieal pride in their service and what they do in it and try to look espcieally good in their unfiorm;since the film did not include such charcter, it did not include such attitude.or is it the other way around,ha?


Anyway-I think the Magav(border police) uniforms, in this film and real life, look much better than the I.D.F "green" (ground forces) air force uniforms. No one can beat the sea force of course, but this barret is kind of nice:D.



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When I was in Jerusalem in 1998, I had never seen such a military presence in a city before. Once the initial surprise was over, I realized that a beautiful Israeli girl in uniform standing at a bus stop with a rifle slung over her shoulder is totally hot.

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these were border police, not army. why did they always refer to being in the army?

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They did their mandtory army service in the border police.You can also do it in the regular police.In the end, it's their army service-but they were taken as a lawn from the army to those organiziations.The prison which the film's heroin goes to is an army prison.

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