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What I never got about Cthulhu


Firstly,I've read a lot of HPL in the 80's,even have Chaosium's rpg just for background info.But what I always thought weird about COC - the original story,is there's this cosmic entity of incredible power and intellect and the best HPL can have him/it do is stomp around a bit like Godzilla?I know he has the power to influence dreams,drive people insane,etc,but most of these things are quite abstract from a storytelling point of view,it seems when he's met face to face (not that you'd want to),because his powers are more psychic,it's hard to know what to do with the character physically,other than stomp around like a Kaiju.Understandable he has to do something in the story,but weird such a powerful being would even notice humans,let alone stomp them or scoop them up,even if 'Evil'.Aren't HPL's creatures meant to be 'beyond' human morality, good/evil anyway?

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I think the point of the original story (The Call of Cthulhu) is that the revelation that Cthulhu actually exists in our world, not just as some god that some esoteric cult worships, but as an actual being that a perfectly sane Westerner had actually laid eyes upon, is such a profound shock because it implies that human beings are actually very far down on the cosmic food chain, so to speak. No one in the 1920s, serene in his belief that Man is in a privileged position on the planet, would ever suspect that the universe might be occupied and even governed by beings alongside which humans are as mayflies, tiny, weak, foolish, short-lived, whose civilizations are like sandcastles that may be swept away at any time by a tsunami.

(In other words, what Cthulhu did once It was awake wasn't very important. What was important was the fact that Cthulhu existed, and what that implied about humanity's actual place in the cosmos.)

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yeah, i think you have it right. it also ties into the age old question "what makes a god a god?" do ants think we are gods? we have the power to smite them en mass. we can even performs miracles from their perscpective. and really this where the ideas of gods originally came from, the things in our lives that have power over us, the tide, the seasons or the sun. the meaning has shifted somewhat over the years and has become more abstract. and of course its all about perspective. its human nature to fear and even worship things they dont understand. not to mention the Cthulhu were built more around the characteristics of gods we have fogotten. gods that would warp minds, and cause destruction and chaos. its really great cause it preys on different levels of fear. fear of the supernatural. fear of the unknown. fear of the natural. fear you are insignificant. fear that god is real and he has one source of pleasure and thats the misery of others. it also poses an interesting question about the line between the natural and supernatural.

Lovecraft also liked to explore the natural alternative to the supernatural in many of his stories. my favorite stoy by him is Cool Air, where a man discovers his neighbors has found a way to cheat death and has lived many years after his death. of course, the story could pose some interesting supernatural questions, the story shows how the scariest magic, and the most powerful magic isnt really magic at all.

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Chtulu shakes the foundation of mankind, of civilization, science and sanity just by existing. What he does after awakening is of less importance.

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That's a stroke of luck, considering what he does after awakening is wholly unimpressive.

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I don't really get it either. Why is the fact that he's real "enough"? Isn't it natural to assume that there would be a being or beings who are significantly more evolved than humans? It would be completely idiotic for someone to think that humans are the highest possible limit of evolution and nothing can ever be conceived of that could be better than a current human. The "creature more powerful than humans" is a common plotline in books, movies, legends, religious lore, etc dating back hundreds if not thousands of years. All I really got from Cthulhu was "ok, so there's a thing that's bigger and better than those people ... alright then." What am I missing?

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Well, let's look at it from our (humanity's) perspective:


We ordinarily don't notice insects, but if they invade our homes, we most definitely do notice them and work to exterminate them. Cthulhu noticed a bunch of insignificant beings trying to penetrate his home and killed them like the vermin he perceived them as. The survivors managed to inflict a wound on him while escaping as insects can do to humans, but Cthulhu nonetheless asserted his dominance by driving them from R'lyeh.

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My only problem with Lovecraft stories in general has been the rather exaggerated sense of fragility of human mind, to a certain degree. A lot of these narrators appear to be educated men or at least those that possess deliberating faculties to allow for more keen exploration of dissociated or undiscovered knowledge. But rather than react with excitement and awe, they tend to go mad with revelation. Why? I suppose these stories are product of their time but it'd be surprising to see a learned person reacting that way in this day and age. True some people might be more prone to go mad from such revelations, but I figure a more natural reaction to say someone like Cthulhu would be fearing it as a physical threat to human life, something akin to what happens in godzilla movies for instance. Unless these Lovecraftanian beings possess some psychic power to actually drive a person mad with a deliberate action. If you see something you can't comprehend, I'd imagine that would make a person more humble and perhaps react in awe than actually go mad.

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