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Anyone who calls this film visually impressive needs to study science.


Absolutely OUTRAGEOUS. A dismal, dismal film, perhaps the WORST ever I've watched in my life. Hey? What are the images from the Hubble space telescope doing here? What's the Horse-head nebula, the Cat's eye nebula, the Pillars of Creation nebula doing HERE?

Hey Mallick, that's not even your art, not even your visual imagination. Its something real scientists worked on, sent up telescopes into space to photograph with great difficulty and cost. HOW DARE do you use those images to 'beautify' your ridiculous excuse of a movie, and use them as a make-up to increase your movie's rating? What did YOU do on your own? What the hell do those images even have to do with movie? Absolutely shameful. And ROTTEN rotten tomato critics. How DARE you praise this film based on its visuals? What meat is there in this film anyways? Anyone could just take images from the Hubble and make a movie about it, would be just as beautiful? Don't you guys ever watch Discovery? The History Channel? Have you no idea what you're looking at?

Anyone, Anyone here who DARES to call this film 'visually impressive' has to attend a science class, or watch a science documentary IMMEDIATELY! This film is almost like stolen work. I can name EVERY single visual scene in this movie and tell you where it came from.

1) Some interstellar clouds, a shape that looks like a horse -> Straight from the Hubble telescope gallery, image of the "Horse Head Nebula."
2) Some interstellar clouds, something looks like an eye -> Straight from the Hubble telescope gallery, image of the "Cat's Eye Nebula."
3) Some interstellar clouds, something looks like pillars -> Straight from the Hubble telescope gallery, image of the "The Pillars of Creation, in the Eagle Nebula"
4) Images of the surface of a sun/star. -> Straight from images from the SOHO Observatory gallery, images of the surface of the sun.
5) Images of jelly fish -> BBC Planet Earth, Deep Wonders.
6) Images of hammerhead shark -> BBC Planet Earth, Shallow Seas.
7) Images of microbes, microscopic life -> BBC Life / BBC Inside the Human Body.
8) Images of the sunrise over earth -> Images from the International Space Station as it orbits the earth.
9) Images of a galaxy -> Hubble deep field, some random spiral galaxy image.

What else is there? NOTHING. Absolutely nothing else in this film. Some weird kids. Some rolling in the grass, ABSOLUTELY NO DIALOG. How dare you use images that deserve credit on their OWN merit, and came from others, in your film in order to garner credit for YOURSELF!? Unless there was some connection to it in the film? Or a need for it?

Its not fair! Anyone can just put in some bits of imagery from space, some bit of imagery from the BBC's Planet Earth, some bit of imagery from a microscopic biology textbook, some weirdo kids and call it a movie.

Absolutely pathetic, disgraceful, shameful!

PS*/FYI* Hey, Mallick, do you even know how those Nebula images are photographed? Hey? Do you even know which electromagnetic spectrum they're in? Do you even know what individual filters they used before they could color those nebula images? Bet you don't.

What's beautiful about this movie? The visuals? The interstellar space imagery? Where did those images come from to begin with? Is it Mallick's imagination and creativity you think? You think he came up with those visuals? Pathetic. They're just a bunch of images from NASA's Hubble, from the BBC's documentaries. Copied as-is and thrown there into his excuse of a film just to make it look 'awe'. And they have NOTHING to do with the story of the film themselves. Just a wastage of reel and minutes.

I could make a movie about weirdos, some kids running around in the grass, and oh yea, include images from Hubble, WISE, SOHO, Spitzer, Chandra, Kepler and whatever space telescopes I can get my hands on. That's it. Done. Movie finished. Goodbye.

THANK GOD THIS MOVIE MADE A LOSS AT THE BOX OFFICE. THANK GOD! JUSTICE SERVED.

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I guess if you were born in the middle age you would have burn Malick in the cross. That satan. I'm being ironic by the way, just in case you didn't get it because for sure you have no idea what this movie is about.

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I'm not sure whether to laugh or call the men in white coats.

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Do you guys want to spar with me or are both of you simply offended thinking I'm calling you idiots?

Anyone who calls this film visually impressive (and gives it a high rating based on that) needs to study science?

Did you not understand the point? But anyways, go ahead, make my day. Type back some rubbish again, so I can rip your logic to shreds and demolish any argument, any debate you can possibly think of coming up with.

IDIOTS.

Come on, go ahead. Show me what you got. What stuffs those heads of yours.

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Seems to me you weren't trying to be funny after all. In which case, get educated or get medicated or both.

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Do I look as if I'm trying to be funny? I'm OUTRAGED. there's nothing you can say that's going to rile me up further than I already am. I don't CARE what you think of me or what you think, for that matter. I'm simply using you two idiots as a punching bag to let off steam.

But if you want to make an intelligent argument or attempt a debate, go ahead, try. I doubt you guys have enough (combined) IQ to win a logical contest with me anyways, but give it a shot. You idiots will make for good practice.

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I have learn not to argument with people who see life as black and white, right or wrong. (My brother being one of them)

Anyway, I'm sorry you feel that bad about a movie. After all it's only a movie.

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but a really bad movie.

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Exactly, this smartphone has turned people into right and wrong, yes or no zombies. I am not being sarcastic. I am totally agreeing with you because i feel the same when i see such people who don't see the beauty of life. All they do and all they can do is, think life is 2+2=4 but it is not.

And one more thing they can do.

They can be real basturdz sometimes that you wish to punch in their balls.

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I feel sorry for you.

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Oh, IQ scores. Those are hilarious.

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For a guy named securejames, you seem really insecure.

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REAL scientists actually find images that Malick's trying to convey as visually striking. That's enough to silence your anti-intellectualism. :D

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If you think a film loses it's visual potency because 5-10 minutes out of the total 139 minutes uses a few images that were originally shot for something else, you seriously need to study the way film is made. I'd say that's more urgent than trying to get people to study science, because you're *beep* clueless.

Good thing you've actually researched this as well. Most of the space imagery was actually created in a watertank by SFX-legend Douglas Trumbull (he did the effects for both 2001 and Close Encounters of the Third Kind). The images that are actually from space have been heavily altered, and they were taken from the Cassini spacecraft, not the Hubble telescope. The Saturn images are from space, and no one has said anything else. Other than that you're kidding yourself.

Oh, by the way, this film was recently named (by more than 60 film critics) as one of 12 films throughout history that has "perfect cinematography" so enjoy your rage.

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Whether it's from him or not, it is visually impressive to look at, so your argument has minimal to no ground in anything really.

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People will defend it until the end of time because of the director.

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I watched this a few months back in the middle of the night and is one of the few movies I still care to remember. It wasn't perfect and was a bit cheesy at the beginning and end, but it got its job done: entertainment.
Plenty of movies use footage from riots, war, political attacks, medical procedures, scientific studies/depictions, etc. And that's okay.

You're being silly and dramatic. Yes, you can have your opinion. Of course. However, calling this the worst movie you've ever seen? That's childish, plain and simple. Watch any SyFy Original or 'Date Movie.'

Even if you're right, nobody will take you seriously if you act so hard on your emotions.

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tl;dr

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." Ambrose Bierce

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Your scientific deconstruction of the movie is sound and indeed the list of reproduced/re-used images is probably correct. Your point however, which is hard to actually pin down, seems to be the fact that he used some already existing images. This is also true but within film and many works of art in all its fields people take inspiration from the world around them and contemporary's in the field. Michelangelo from Botticelli, Domenico Ghirlandaio, Perugino. Keats from Shelley from Byron from Milton. In architecture, technology, design, computing and God forbid even your beloved empirical science there is an accumulation of knowledge, theories, techniques, styles, fashions and ideas that result in various forms and the wonderful array of beauty and content that we as a species are able to produce and enjoy. And here is my point, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, sit back watch the film and enjoy it, don't think about what it means (clearly that is beyond you)don't stress about where the images come from or who will get credit for it, take it in and if you can't do that I feel sorry for you, your science has clouded your view.

I doubt this will gain a positive response from you, negativity seeps through your thread and so through your life. No doubt I will be chastised as a pretentious hippy. But I'm unlikely to take criticism from somebody who places a films integrity in its box office takings..

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Well said Chanstar!!

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Agreed, Chanstar69200. Science, itself, is a salvage yard inherently progressed when researchers extract parts from previously conducted research to formulate and construct their own theories and experiments from these restored parts. Using this process to discredit "The Tree of Life" on scientific grounds is humorously ironic.

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Perfect response to that psycho. As a side note, everyone I've ever met who uses IQ as a measure of intelligence has been not nearly as smart as their arrogance indicates.

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Absolutely brilliantly put sir or madam. I couldn't come close to articulating a response that lucid to the original poster but you have hit the nail squarely on the head. I suspect he was a troll in any case, but you have utterly demolished his ridiculous argument. Thank you.

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Typically, Securejames, if somebody spews attention-seeking hyperbole analogous to "WORST film ever" at "The Tree of Life", I tactically ignore them like a parent should a screaming child begging for sweets in a candy store. However, since you are presenting yourself as the tutelary saint of science, I feel compelled to bite and chime in. As someone who has three degrees in the physical and life sciences and studies science religiously, I'm overjoyed that actual science and scientific images that routinely captivate us science admirers have trickled into the arts so elegantly. In full disclosure, I consider "The Tree of Life" flawless and champion it as my favorite piece of the cinematic arts.

Not to sound pedantic or self-righteous, but I truly believe that you don't "understand" the film. Personally, not since Bergman's "Fanny & Alexander", have I been suffocated with as much nostalgia; not since Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey" have I been as mesmerized with a film's visual imagery. If Chagall and Wyeth were to collaborate on a film, this would be the result; it's art in motion. Furthermore, as an agnostic borderline atheist, I'm also surprised to find myself pleasantly immersed in the spiritual aspects of the film.

If necessary, I'm willing to delve into the intricacies of film's abstract narrative, but the over-arching premise of the film, in my subjective perspective, is quite clear, and the film's prologue (Job 38: 4, 7) sets the stage for the performance. As an agnostic, I simply replace the verses' lecturer, God in the Bible, with my own lecturer, the universe. Existence of life on Earth, our existence as humans, against all empirical odds, is miraculous. However, we played no hand in existing; we merely woke up on third base and thought we hit a triple. As evolutionarily superior and entitled we deem ourselves as a species, we are nothing compared to the vastness and wonders of the cosmos and the physical/natural laws that allow us simply to be. As devastating our personal burdens are to us, they're less than meaningless to the universe; humanity's burdens are single-handedly ours to bear. The universe owes us nothing; it has already given us everything. This is why Malick juxtaposes the complex evolution of the universe with the relatively simple evolution of an adolescent in a mid-20th century family: it's a coming of age story for both the universe and the film's protagonist. The protagonist's parents personify the two opposing treks available to us through this life, through our burdens. If there is a watchful god or a cognizant universe, it is concerned, and rightly so, on matters far more important than a small group of organisms vacationing on a normal planet rotating around a very normal star. Therefore, on Earth, we only have each other; so, do we stop and help a fellow traveler whose vehicle has broken down on the long and winding road of life, or do we drive on with blinders and merely focus on our own well-being? These are the two options Malick presents us with. Of course, I could be wrong, but every subsequent viewing further re-affirms this narrative for me.

It's humbling, a characteristic you seem to sorely lack. For some reason, you're allowing your emotions to cloud your rationale, which, in itself, isn't very scientific. To establish an understanding of your cinematic tastes, may I ask what you consider to be a good film? Cheers!

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WOW. securejames huh? lol man, I have to admit that I found your rant of the film ( which I have not seen yet btw )extremely humorous and also very shocking. The very humane way in which you have sub-sequentally been treated on this thread is perhaps equally as shocking, to be quite honest. I am so glad I took the time to read your absurd excretion of unbridled angst and ill-targeted fury, only because as a result I also read some outstanding rebukes, the likes of which displayed a supremely sophisticated degree of restraint. As tribute to those who took time away from what could only be in the starkest of contrast to yours, a purpose-driven life, I shall attempt a like response. That is, a restrained one.

Cause God knows restraint was not my first reaction to you, bro. Though I would like to believe I wouldn't be suckered into some assininely proposed IQ duel , I will at least admit it crossed my mind. Not the IQ duel , but just calling you random names and proving to the world we share the same level of depravity. In all honestly though I wanted to thank you on the same token as I found you genuinely funny in a I-can't-believe-there-exists-a-person-this-ridiculous kind of way. I also believed you were being totally honest in your bold and completely inappropriate spewing of would-be hooks and spur-ons. I doubt very much you succeeded in atrracting anybody in your target demographic, ya know the usual troll hunting types that see red when such a shamelessly crass piece of forum fodder is spotted. I do not blame you for your sudden absense nor your lack of follow-through with the oath you practically swore to always vanquish all normal, humble , temperate , and tactfully spoken people ,both foreign and domestic , from the world. I do aplaud your brave step forward in discovering how manic and nigh unto handicapped you can be when a disagreeable movie dares to cross your path. I do have to ask though: when this raving man-beast in your brain slips from your control and feverishly consumes your keyboard in a flurry of finger-locking-rape-typing, . . . does it scare you at all? Or is it a rush?

I think some of us must be sincerely concerned for you, my rash freind. I could not explain the restraint and good sportsmanship shown here any other way. Like I expressed earlier , I found the responses to your near psychosis-inducing rage against people, movies, and who knows what else very refreshing. Again , I think you had to be expecting more of the stoned , immature , troll-hunting type to give you your epic battle of who can type more hateful comments and make themselves look like the most bonafide degenerate. But, maybe they were too busy waging a war of ugly words and distastful opinions against a different sick person in a different but also very exciting forum clear on the other side of the world wide web. Which finally leads me to my belief about you and my simple point: IF you are serious about what you typed you need real help.

My initial reaction to your first post was a simple hope that you are a mere addict under the spell of your drug , doing what many of us do when manipulated by a powerful chemical: purposely pissing off as many fellow humans as posible while the euphoria-crazed binger within is still running strong. As an addict in recovery I certainly sypmpathize if this proves to be the happy case. Because sadly, being a drug-addict in need of help who on occasion will attempt to forcefully violate another's mind with barbaric behavior and predatorial pursuit, is so very favorable over just being a plain old vile human.

I Don't even believe many individuals of such a nature exist, as I have known very few that this could actually be suspected of. So which is it? How could something so trivial as a "terrible movie" have enough claim over your mind to stir you up in a way that enrages you to such a volatile extreme and to a degree that can only be described as a medical emergency ? I truly have never been so curious about a random thread as to create a login for the sole purpose of making an inquiry to why you seem to be so desperately grasping for negetive attention. But more importantly and easily more fascinating , this is by far the most constructive support Ive heard of to be offered, without guile, to a perfect stranger... a perfectly vile stranger who chooses to taint a beloved movie site that stands for a passion we share of learning about movies and the people that make them.

At the very least , I sure enjoyed this much debated thread for the peculiar marvel it proved to be, and I count myself fortunate to have put my own imperfect but sincere thoughts down among some truly thought provoking stuff. Maybe future people will regard these things as amusing archives that chronicled our awkward transition into an age where suddenly all knowledge was at our fingertips but instead of using it for good some choose to use it to reach out and make another person miserable even if just for a minute. This experience was fresh and inspiring for me as a normal dude just perusing through a favorite site , spotting a troll in the midst of his hulk smash , and then to discover nothing but classy responses to a poisonous post that nine times in ten would have poison quicky spewed back at the rotting source , and then some. Thanks people, I learned something valuable here.

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Very nicely said! Now that makes me want to see this film.

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My good fellow science-documentary-watching friend... Have you ever heard of stock footage? NASA sends up a probe to take pictures, then people make VFX sequences out of them. Stock footage companies buy them and sell them to whoever wants it, to use however they want with no need for a license. That's how a space documentary, a cleverly edited Vimeo short film, and a highly praised blockbuster art film can use exactly the same clip of the horse head nebula. I myself plan to make a film soon where I will be using images of the cosmos, and I will have complete permission to use every one.

Scientists put effort in designing a space telescope to get pictures, and then only they can use them? So, if anyone uses one of those pictures, they're stealing from science? This is so strange an idea I'm not even sure you yourself beleive it. Are you implying that Terrence Malick needs to build his own space telescope, launch it in his own rocket, and operate it himself if he wants to use images of celestial bodies in his movies? You say that putting it in art is stealing, but putting it into a documentary isn't? NASA doesn't make the documentaries, you know. Science channel and History channel make them, and they get the space footage exactly the same way as Malick.

Lastly, you say that because the nebulas are beautiful, and Malick wants to make his movie more beautiful, so he puts the nebulas into the film, he is unoriginal, and not creating beauty for himself? My friend, Terrence Malick creates his art with a CAMERA. A camera designed to perfectly replicate what it sees. He is supposed to use things that already exist, and put them in front of the camera to make a work of art. God created the nebulas, not Terrence Malick. God also created humans, not Terrence Malick. So how is Malick taking a shot of a human less unoriginal to you then him using a shot of a nebula? Malick had very much a reason to put in the nebulas, as well. They appear during a sequence about the creation of the universe. Well, the stars were created in nebulas, therefore not showing them would be like skipping a step.

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