why bono and the edge?


Does anyone else agree that these two had absolutely nothing interesting to say about leonard and that their version of tower of song (with leonard) was just awful? The edge did the same delay-slide solo about three times, and the whole thing was backed by a crappy drum computer that sounded like it was coming out of the tiny speakers of the first 80s casio keyboard. I really liked the show, and especially the interview bits with leonard, but when tower of song came on I just cracked up because it was so awful.

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Glad you brought this up, I was thinking the exact same thing. These tools had nothing worthwhile to say, and their awkward attempts at being profound made them look even more foolish when juxtaposed with Leonard Cohen and the artists who performed at his tribute concert. Their participation contributed nothing to this documentary; it only added a sense of disjointedness. They were doing the same shameless self-aggrandizement we saw years ago with Rattle and Hum in which they tried to place themselves on par with Elvis and the Beatles. The connection between these egomaniacs and LC is an even greater stretch.

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They, along with R.W.'s cover of Hallelujah, ruined this.

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I'm glad you brought it up - I was intrigued by all of the REAL artists in this movie, and then in comes Bono and Edge. I suppose I shouldn't care that U2 might as well be U$2 - that would at least be Cohen's viewpoint anyway (I think). However, U2 - especially Bono - had nothing interesting to say. Por ejemplo: Bono - "I read Percy Shelly poetry when I was like...5 and I knew it was divine. Then I heard Leonard Cohen and it was like...." Nothing great.
In my personal opinion, they should have interviewed Lou Reed.

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Bono and the Edge annoyed me every time they turned up in the talking heads segments - how can the Edge claim that Christians invented meditation? - and I'd been hanging out to see Cohen himself perform, only for the long-anticipated moment to be spoiled by U2 as the backing band. *beep* off, Bono!

"Supposedly it was an accident but, you know... he was distraught."

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I dislike rock snobs, or perhaps poseurs would be a better term here.

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Bono is a self acknowledged ego maniac which does kind of grate on the nerves when compared to a humble old gentleman as Leonard Cohen. Bono does do his best to give Leonard his dues, which is all you can ask of him. I like U2's music although Bono's lyrics are somewhat overblown and musically they sound like an imitation of a much better band known as Joy Division who tragically disappeared just as they were about to hit it big.

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Do you think Bono had Joy Division killed? I wouldn't put it past him.

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This is a long-overdue documentary film about Leonard Cohen, approved by Leonard Cohen, participation by Leonard Cohen....for the appreciation and promotion of Leonard Cohen's music. It's all egocentric because that's what entertainer$ do, whether it's Cohen or U2. Looking at Cohen$ back catalog, I think Leonard would agree...obviously, as he came down from the mountain and he approved of the participation of U2. The folks in this thread sound like "haters", as the kids say these days...squawking as if the great unwashed masses (represented by U2) spoiled their precious little secret (LC). U2's version of Tower of Song was, like the others, just an interpretation and a celebration and I thought they kept the music, appropriately, subtle and set behind the lyric. I'm no U2 fanatic (they have written a few good songs) but I found Bono and Edge's comments to be accurate in their evaluation of Cohen's contribution and compositions. Sure, the Irish are known to speak figuratively but that's also, as Leonard knows, a tool of the arts. I give U2 credit for using their renown to support an expansive range of artists, whether it's Cohen, BB King, Dylan, Lou Reed, all that electronica, Carver, Bukowski, et al. They're fans as we are...and they take time to support their heroes...what's the problem? Certainly, folks, there are more insidious things in our world to abhor than an outspoken Irish pop culture enthusiast. We all probably enjoy reading books about artists/bands (though many are so poorly written they're almost unreadable...no wonder Sting, another successful egomaniac, decided to write his own) and if you read U2 by U2, you will find the band sufficiently modest about its own efforts while championing the work of many others, including Joy Division. No artists, not even Leonard Cohen, who arrive at the top of their fields do so by being humble or insular or foolishly beholden to poverty...we know they all have a massive drive for "success" and a huge appetite for finding the elusive and ever-changing true pulse of art. For better or worse, Bono is just more open (and contrived) about that fact than most, with the possible exception of every Rap artist. Personally, I don't care for, say, Ozzy Osborne but if he showed up to praise and play Leonard Cohen's music, I'd still give him credit. Wow, them's a lot of words just to say (as a Buddhist might suggest): Nothing was ruined. Let's not be so precious. Or pessimistic. Leonard isn't.

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calli.. thoughtful words...

I just watched the DVD last night. I found all the interpretations of LC's music interesting... but didn't like them all, especially a few that were just too precious. There's nothing precious about LC's poetry.

I cringed at Bono's occasional condescension, however. I don't need him to tell me that we should appreciate LC. But I enjoyed hearing U2's version of Tower of Song.

LC himself said that he loves to hear other's interpretations of his work, which he often finds enlightening.

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The thing is that before this, if you asked me if U2 were Cohen fans, I would have said that I seriously doubted that they were. I don't see any influence of Cohen there, either lyrically or musically. It just seems like they kind of forced their way into this to increase their "cred".

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While I am unsure about The Edge, I have heard in an interview or two (One I believe was Bono: The Rolling Stone Interview) that he loves Cohen's poetry and music. Why do Bono and the band have to play and write like Cohen to be fans of his? U2 are also huge fans of The Beatles, and don't try and tell me they sound like the Beatles.

On Bono and The Edge in this film...They are both intelligent people (I'm also a HUGE fan of the band..in fact U2 is my favorite band)..but I felt their comments weren't well-thought out or particularly insightful or all that interesting, so I agree with the OP there. However I personally think that their performance of Tower of Song with Cohen was very well-done.

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This thread explains a lot to me about why I disliked this movie so much, apparently it was aimed at a market of old hippie traditional folksters who hate anything else - the same crowd that wanted to kill Dylan for playing electric. To discredit Bono for taking the time to pay tribute to LC is sick, y'know he could be out boinking supermodels, and oh yeah he also does just a tad bit of humanitarian work too, I guess because his albums sell well he's just faking that too? I don't own a U2 album, but of bands of any popularity they clearly have a lot of integrity, and like Lou Reed or Elvis Costello will go out of their way to pay tribute to lesser known great artists.

What Bono and Edge had to say was fine but their interviews, like everything else in the film, were shot clumsily. in front of door? standing like deer caught in headlights? huh? obviously it was badly planned or the director would have had some red glitter to throw at them or a cheesy lounge lizard bimbo in the background, which the director somehow thinks has something "artsy" to do with LC's music.

OK I have to ask, does anyone know if the director and LC were intimately involved? It would explain a lot.

For the record, I am from the "old hippie" generation myself, but rather than live in a past of mind-deadening traditional Prairie Home Companion arrangements, I would have much preferred some risk-taking covers worthy of LC's edginess by some creative upstarts, some punk, some hiphop, some rap, ambient beats, electronica, shoegaze, dreampop, some people someone under 50 has heard of, not the children of minor musical figures of the 70s still mining the same tired "authentic" styles. Thank goodness someone (probably LC himself) invited at least one interesting current artist, Anthony, who gave the only performance worthy of the material.

It's fine if you're a relic of the 60's clinging to the past, but LC's music is more than that, it is truly great music that transcends time and deserves far better than this film.

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Are you saying Nick Cave isn't an interesting current artist? They guy's been great since the '70s and he's still writing good stuff with Grinderman. He plays punk and he sings traditional songs which makes him such a treasure.

I personally hate U2 and I'm not even a hipster. There are a lot of pretty modern bands I like. Granted, none of its the top 40 kind of stuff but there are some bands that are pretty popular that i really like. The problem is, U2 is a mediocre band who had a few great albums in the 80s and have coasted on so-so stuff since because they have no creativity and used up everything they had by Joshua Tree. They're essentially a softer Metallica in that sense, a band that peaked in the 80s and has done nothing worthwhile since but somehow still manages to go platinum with consistency.

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It's not a matter of fashion "hating" bono. And people here have commented with arguments on why they find him distasteful. A lot of people dislike bono for his ridiculous sense of self importance and his mediocrity as an artist. Of course he's one among many "artists" but he exemplifies the attitude of a rather vapid self aggrandizing hack. He's role in this documentary is superfluous at best.

I mean people going around calling themselves bono, and the edge...rock stars are so superficial. Plus their music of the past 15 years or so is shockingly bad. The guy who wrote, discotheque, let's go discotheque, talking about the guy who wrote like a bird on the wire. What an irony.

Come on bono, wear those sunglasses wave your hands at the masses and go discoteque...it only sounds grotesque because it is.

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Very well said callicomp, and a great doc too!

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I totally agree. I used to like U2 (I never loved them), but it seems like the Edge and especially Bono always get trotted out as the voice of authority in these films, and they just sound like pompous gasbags. Who are the people who idolize them?

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