The individual who posted the ugly comment, will never know the 'real" beauty Ms. Ono share with the one she loved, and loved her dearly in return. It still amazes me that there are un-adventurous simpletons relying on such cheap shots to continue the lack of truly understanding the misunderstood triumphs in the arts such as Ms. Ono as achieved.
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Grow up, your just jellous that she 1) Has more money than you, 2) is more tallented than you in many ways and 3)actually has enough business since to have actually been able to keep John from going broke. Face it people bash her not for who she is but who she married, and blame her for things that were unavoidable anyway that she had little to do with.
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shareMy only complaint against her is she kind of scares me. Like, she's just not attractive.
shareMy only complaint against her is she kind of scares me. Like, she's just not attractive.
At least she's not ugly on the inside.
When i read this .... I wondered if you have looked in the mirror and said " How beautiful i am ?..
I know one thing John thought she was beautiful and really thats all that counts
"Grow up, your just jellous that she 1) Has more money than you, 2) is more tallented than you in many ways and 3)actually has enough business since to have actually been able to keep John from going broke. Face it people bash her not for who she is but who she married, and blame her for things that were unavoidable anyway that she had little to do with."
- Actually you missed off "4" she had Lennon i think thats why they're jelous tbh, and tbf upon reflection she is'nt amazingly good looking but not as hideous as she has been made out to be, i believe the reason most people have this really bad image of her is because the only real famous shot of her is after the bed ins and tbf most people look rough after 1 day in bed let alone 7 lol
John seemed like someone who always had to have a partner. I don't think people minded when he partnered with Paul McCartney but they did when it was Yoko. Paul seemed to need Linda, while we are at it. But, Yoko was more of a provocateur. This was jarring to the fans. Also, how many of those anti-war activists were female or men who always had their female partners with them? Angela Davis was the only female activist other than Yoko shown in the film.
"Two more swords and I'll be Queen of the Monkey People." Roseanne
The individual who posted the ugly comment, will never know the 'real" beauty Ms. Ono share with the one she loved, and loved her dearly in return. It still amazes me that there are un-adventurous simpletons relying on such cheap shots to continue the lack of truly understanding the misunderstood triumphs in the arts such as Ms. Ono as achieved.
John Lennon did need Yoko. She was his soul mate. She opened up a whole new world to John. He was always politically minded, but Yoko let him express himself better and in new ways. Yoko was a part of John.
If John was still alive, they would both be living in the Dakota... They would still be doing bagism (isn't it the most?)
Shine on.
John Lennon did need Yoko. She was his soul mate. She opened up a whole new world to John. He was always politically minded, but Yoko let him express himself better and in new ways. Yoko was a part of John.
Yoko Ono has gotten such a bad rap over the decades, and that's a real shame, as it's so obvious through her own observations and actual on-film reactions here that she was as in love with John and as respectful of him as he was toward her. It should be understood and accepted that John wanted to be with Yoko and that she "saved him from a kind of death" (as he once said). It may be difficult for some to accept that Lennon drifted away from the idea of being "one of the boys" with the Beatles and getting married and devoting his life to his relationship with Yoko, but it's what made him feel happy and fulfilled. As John himself said in one of his very final interviews for PLAYBOY in 1980:
LENNON: "Listen, if somebody's gonna impress me, whether it be a Maharishi or a Janov or a Yoko, there comes a point when the emperor has no clothes. Because I do stupid things, I've done stupid things. I am naive but I'm also not stupid. So there comes a point where I will see. And nobody can pull the wool that long. So for all you folks out there who think that I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes, well, that's an insult to me. Not that you think less of Yoko, because that's your problem; what I think of her is what counts! But if you think you know me or you have some part of me because of the music I've made, and then you think I'm being controlled like a dog on a leash because I do things with her, then screw you, brother or sister... you don't know what's happening. I'm not here for you. I'm here for me and her and now the baby. Anybody who claims to have some interest in me as an individual artist or even as part of the Beatles has absolutely misunderstood everything I ever said if they can't see why I'm with Yoko."
John coldly up and left his wife and son for a life with a bohemian woman he knew very little about .. except that she excited his artistic psyche with her weirdness and love of the avant garde.
Anyone know .. did John *ever* see Julian again?
To lambiepie-2 :
You got it absolutely spot on. Thank you.
I've noticed so many people have so many different types of "witty" signatures
And your view is wrong, sir. What an ignorant, *beep* a**hole you are.
shareMy two cents.......
No matter what anyone thinks of Yoko, John LOVED her and she loved him. True John had a life before her, but once he found her you could see the love just radiateing(sp) between them.
Don't get me wrong I'm not the biggest Yoko fan out there by any means, but she has gotton a bad rap the she doesn't deserve.
*~*~ Why is it those with closed minds, Always open their mouths? ~*~*
Don't get me wrong I'm not the biggest Yoko fan out there by any means, but she has gotton a bad rap the she doesn't deserve.
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Well; you did it. I read your earlier posts and basically, just respectfully disagreed with you, but after your last post, you ruined it. You're an idiot. Sorry. Hope no one ever feels the need to rate your spouse and judge your reasons behind your getting nuptialized (I know it's not a real word---before you feel like using that for some lame reply.).
"It's not the ups and downs that make life difficult, it's the jerks." Charles Chaplin
Yoko sucks. Even if you forget how much he abused of Jhons fame and try to apreciate her art you will find out that her art is very lame.
People often mistake the obsession that jhon had for her with love.
C'mon people WHO GIVES A *beep* - Are you really arguing about some rock dude falling for a woman who doesn't happen to fit the American mold/standard of "attractive"? Um, John has passed. Dude is dead - and has been for over 20 years - and you're still pissed about his WIFE not being America's Next Top Model?
Does it not matter that he loved her so much that he included her in his life enough to make her his wife? Their marriage was between them, sorry you didn't get to vote in it. Plus THE WOMAN LOST HER HUSBAND BY MURDER. And you still can't get over the fact that he loved this woman, and she loved him - wildly, unexplicably, etc. It has nothing to do with pleasing you.
The man changed many lives with his art and music, and because of that his words in press conferences swayed many people - but yet you're offended on what his version of attractive is.
Speaking as a well-educated Asian-American woman - most civilized people probably don't take their anger out on pictures on a dart board. When I was younger, I loved Lennon's songs for what they were: pretty melodies. Now that I'm older - I not only appreciate Lennon but I appreciate Ono separately as an artist, her ability to invoke thought into humans. She's even said that she's not afraid to intimidate people and that if she hasn't angered someone she hasn't made her point in her art. And art should make you FEEL shouldn't it? FEEL doesn't always mean complacent, agreeable, pretty, or aesthetically pleasing. It is a form of expression of the human feeling, isn't it? Or is it just a pretty painting on your wall that you got from Ikea?
Check - Banksy.co.uk
that horrid b**ch has been milking this cow for over 20 years. remember the "Olympic poem" she did?? "if one million people think of peace, there will be peace. in the words of my husband, imagine peace."
what the hell was that??
you talentless hack!!! get your own *beep* career already!! oh wait, you can't because you HAVE NO TALENT. STOP the coat-tail MADNESS!!
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what i meant to say was...
I think she came along at a time when John really needed a change. it would have been nice to see someone with as much talent and as much heart as John Lennon himself, but we cannot choose who we fall in love with. I think a lot of her decisions she has made since John's death are suspect, being at odds and arguing with the other Beatles... and it seems, at times, she is more concerned about money than about the honor of her husband, but i cannot say for sure, nor can i make any judgments.
it's easy to make fun of her because, talent-wise, she was not even remotely comparable to John, even though John tried to include her in everything. It was sweet, but disillusional. the rest of the world knew it... and that caused a lot of tension. as the Beatles broke up, the situation is easily blamed on her even though i seriously doubt it was her 'master plan', etc. i think that John meant the world to her, and vice versa.
i certainly look forward to seeing this film. that is just my own lowly and humble opinion.
Hey listen idiots, Yoko Ono sucks. She made John Lennon, one of the most brilliant and unique individuals who ever lived, her puppet. She essentially brainwashed him and controlled him to serve her own purposes. As soon as those two permanently hooked up, John was never the same person and lost a lot of the aspects of his personality and creativity that made him such a genius.
sharehe made John Lennon, one of the most brilliant and unique individuals who ever lived, her puppet
You know little about this subject. Listen to John's own words about Yoko.
He wasn't brainwashed. Also, since he was "one of the most brilliant and unique individuals who ever lived", don't you think you should respect his love relationship?
Also, his creative output post yoko was just fine.
Don't be such a hater.
OK, here's my two cents about Yoko.
I dislike her...I mean, after Lennon's death refusing any of his estate to go to his first family? And Yoko allowed Julian to stay with them every now and again? I agree in some ways it looks like that Yoko has been dragging on Lennon's coat tails but we also have to remember Lennon and Yoko were soul mates. The Beatles time was running out anyway so anyone who blames the breakup on Yoko are completely out of their minds.
And here's a thought...I don't remember where I saw it but when the people of "Chapter 27" were outside of the Dakota Building and when Yoko saw Jared Leto in his MDC makeup, she broke down. Think about that. It's just a woman who was so in love with a man -- it's common sense that she would be terrified. And I guess you can see what activism she's doing "in John's name"/"milking John" today, it's your own view. I think she has taken it too far though...and I hope she knows what people are saying about her and maybe she can set us right...or whatever. Personally...John would be upset on how we are all treating her. Remember: they're just people and they were IN LOVE. It makes skeptics *almost* want to believe in love.
undieandgotohell....ditto on everything you've written aove....except going to see this or any other film regarding Mr. Lennon as long as she is alive.
There are alot of Ono conspiracy theories out there (maybe why this 'bashing thread')...one being the most horrid about Yoko doing an OJ and having someone knock him off. At least I thought it was a horrid thought...until I saw what actions she took when the man was shot. There is no way in Hades I would step away from my husband and bawl - it looked too soap-opery. It looked too useless. While it would be wrong and I would know after the fact, being that I love my husband more than life itself and he is the center of my universe, the sun rises and sets in him to me - the person who shot him would have had me all over him. I may have been shot too...or hindered the driver to subdue the shooter...but there is no way in Hades I would just 'sit there and cry'. ANd don't tell me it was "shock". Shock my arse. I'm a native New Yorker, that shooter would have felt my wrath while I'm yelling for someone to help my husband - while I am doing something to help my husband. Again, IMHO...being 'demure' and seemingly, calculatingly, posing for best artistic photo shots would be the least thing on my mind. I'd be his James Brady....or as much as I could have been. I'd know my husband. I'd know he liked to be accomodating to and of his fans, but I would make sure the line between responding to a fan and us are there. Just my thoughts again....But that's what it looked like to me...
In which case, I ditto Proud IMDB member since 1998 with the same name.How about you??
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Well, Yoko wasn't a native New Yorker, so her response wouldn't have been the same as yours.
From what I've heard, her first concern was her husband - I heard reports of her cradling his head in her hands, comforting him, etc. - she was only seen standing up, bawling, slightly later, when the police arrived. Yeah, a lot of people would have taken MDC on - including me - but we've never seen someone shot right before our eyes, so we don't really know what our reactions would have been...
Yoko obviously did not have John "knocked off". That's as patently ridiculous as this idea that Reagan or Nixon had him "knocked off". If you wanted a person assassinated, you would go to a dumbass like MDC? Puh-leeze.
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Roger Keith "Syd" Barrett, 1946-2006. Shine on.
Imagine was a Yoko Ono poem a few years before John made a song of it.
sharei agree wholeheartedly with ya, celeste...good show. also, people seem to overlook the Eastman influence on the Lennon-McCartney team...and it's easy cuz she was a pretty, rich, white American...
it really strikes me as odd that people who bash on Yoko Ono obviously don't listen to John Lennon's music. Otherwise, they would realize that he was...well, they should just listen...and if they can't get it, thas their loss.
People bash Yoko because they think it's what everyone does, and they think that's what they're supposed to do. They haven't got a clue and just climb on the hating bandwagon. They don't know what they're talking about. If you don't believe me or the others, then listen to Lennon himself, circa 1980:
LENNON: "We are both sensitive people and we were hurt a lot by it. I mean, we couldn't understand it. When you're in love, when somebody says something like, 'How can you be with that woman?' you say, 'What do you mean? I am with this goddess of love, the fulfillment of my whole life. Why are you saying this? Why do you want to throw a rock at her or punish me for being in love with her?' Our love helped us survive it, but some of it was pretty violent. There were a few times when we nearly went under, but we managed to survive and here we are." (looks upward) "Thank you, thank you, thank you."
PLAYBOY: "But what about the charge that John Lennon is under Yoko's spell, under her control?"
LENNON: "Well, that's rubbish, you know. Nobody controls me. I'm uncontrollable. The only one who controls me is me, and that's just barely possible."
PLAYBOY: "Still, many people believe it."
LENNON: "Listen, if somebody's gonna impress me, whether it be a Maharishi or a Yoko Ono, there comes a point when the emperor has no clothes. There comes a point when I will see. So for all you folks out there who think that I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes, well, that's an insult to me. Not that you think less of Yoko, because that's your problem. What I think of her is what counts! Because... *beep* you, brother and sister... you don't know what's happening. I'm not here for you. I'm here for me and her and the baby!"
ONO: "Of course, it's a total insult to me..."
LENNON: "Well, you're always insulted, my dear wife. It's natural..."
ONO: "Why should I bother to control anybody?"
LENNON: "She doesn't need me."
ONO: "I have my own life, you know."
LENNON: "She doesn't need a Beatle. Who needs a Beatle?"
ONO: "Do people think I'm that much of a con? John lasted two months with the Maharishi. Two months. I must be the biggest con in the world, because I've been with him 13 years."
LENNON: "But people do say that."
PLAYBOY: "That's our point. Why?"
LENNON: "They want to hold on to something they never had in the first place. Anybody who claims to have some interest in me as an individual artist or even as part of the Beatles has absolutely misunderstood everything I ever said if they can't see why I'm with Yoko. And if they can't see that, they don't see anything. They're just jacking off to... it could be anybody. Mick Jagger or somebody else. Let them go jack off to Mick Jagger, OK? I don't need it."
ven if you forget how much he abused of Jhons fame and try to apreciate her art you will find out that her art is very lame
I think her art is clever. She also has shown respectful stewardship with the lennon works. I've seen plenty of record companies do far worse.
Your comments seem woefully uninformed.
I'm not a big Yoko Ono fan, but she did make John happy, & he loved her a lot. She must have done something right for him. It's no secret that John & Cynthia weren't in love, but it does look like Kohn & Yoko were made for each other. She's done a good job keeping John's legacy alive, & for that I respect her.
shareThe issue of Yoko's talent is irrelevant, if one can even attach quality to art. If you know anything about avant garde you know that Yoko is not particularly unusual. What matters is what made the two of them happy. None of us can judge what John Lennon was feeling or what was "good" for him. Even his biggest fans have access to less than 1% of the mind of John Lennon. John Lennon had access to 100% of the mind of John Lennon, 24 hours a day. If anyone is an expert on what he felt and needed, it is him. He - and yes Yoko -was far more qualified than you or me to determine what made him happy. And happiness is all that mattered. Screw the art, screw the fame. Even if the "quality" of his art plummetted after Yoko, it is still their happiness and only their happiness that counts. You can sit and attempt to decide what is "love" and what is "obsession" but those are just words you choose to describe something in the life of a person that you don't understand.
I think the reason this is such a big issue is because WE are the ones "obsessed", not him. We are obsessed with his music, with his person, with the impact he has on us. And as a result we felt as if we needed to control him, like a parent, and that we knew what was best for him. When people saw him marry Yoko, a woman who was outside of mainstream art, a woman who may or may not have influenced the seperation of a beloved musical group and a woman who, yes, was not the same race as mainstream America, they felt that they had lost control over John Lennon - that he had ceased to be what they wanted him to be. And they were angry.
Well, sucks for you. Because John has no responsibility to live his life as you wanted him to. You accept that he was a great musician, that he did great things. Then just trust that he did what made him happy. And be happy for what he had. As the Beatles said "let it be".
Beautifully said, boilerbrojoe. And it's still amazing to me after all these decades how some "fans" still don't get that.
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i dont no wat you guys is talkin about because shes really nice. i just hated her albums. they suck. its all just screamin man. its stupid.
I enjoyed her work on Double Fantasy...
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Roger Keith "Syd" Barrett, 1946-2006. Shine on.
But this is a common myth. There is much of her music that has no screams at all. But people go along with what they're told\\
Really?
I heard John, John and it was full of screaming.
I may be confusing her with someone else
Oh well.
Does it really matter if John's life was fine prior to marrying Yoko? He loved her, and he married her. End of story. It was not for any of his fans to decide.
shareCorrect. But John's life wasn't exactly "fine" before he met Yoko. He said "Yoko saved me from a kind of death".
Still, some "fans" continue to ignore John's own words and for some reason still choose to hate Yoko and disrespect John's choice of what he felt was right for him, and they want to hang onto what they want and can't have, they refuse to see it truthfully.
Look -- John fell in love with Yoko. He became very happy with her. The Beatles broke up. Get over it already.
Seriously.
sharePersonally, my feelings on Yoko Ono are neutral leaning towards dislike. However, I do admit that John and Yoko were in love, and that for Yoko to have manipulated him for that long wouldn't have been really plausible.
However, I also agree that she flaunts her status as John's wife excessively. That's what I dislike about her; we get it that she was John's wife! She doesn't have to reinforce that fact so much.
I think that many who bash her don't really know her. I mean, I don't like her, but I don't let that fact get into the way of my reasoning. John obviously thought that Yoko was a huge part of his life, and that her effect was extremely needed. I think John is right when he says that if the fans can't understand that he needs Yoko and bash the pair for their love, then they weren't true in the first place. It was completely his choice, and we should accept it.
However, I also agree that she flaunts her status as John's wife excessively. That's what I dislike about her; we get it that she was John's wife! She doesn't have to reinforce that fact so much.
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Ive read lots of books about John Lennon. Ive been a Beatles fan since 1964.
Cynthia, Yoko, and May Pang are all incredibly strong, and intelligent women.
They all made him the legacy that he his. There's no going back and changing it now. I think they all served a place in his life. He loved them all.
Personally, I think May Pang was best for him. Somewhere in between Cynthia and Yoko. He did his best music with her. He even wrote most of the lyrics for Double Fantasy during this time. Did the Walls and Bridges and Rock n Roll Album with May Pang.
Had Yoko not scheduled John's lengthy ( something like 14 hrs) hypnotic session to quit smoking (which he wanted desperately to do--to sing better) I think he wouldve stayed with May Pang. It seems odd, they were in the process of even getting a house, then he comes out of the hypnotic session-- Packs up and goes back to Yoko without a word.
Yoko then hung a sword over their bed, to symbolize "cutting off the past" and beginning new. They had Sean, and that clenched the family. He stopped making music.
As Yoko told May Pang when May worked for both of them.. " I know John's core being. We went thru primal therapy together. I know what makes him tick"
Its always seemed odd he was 70's safe, until he released another album 1980. It barely hit the shelves before he was dead.
Yoko's reality isnt the same as most people's and her artsy view of John's life, I dont appreciate. The flop musical " John Lennon" was so regretful. It shouldve been amazing.
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