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Very disappointed - Would love to understand what people see in this


I decided to check this flick out after someone suggested it was better than "The Raid" and "Kung Fu Hustle" (Two very different films, but both of which I loved).

I was extremely disappointed. The plot is paper thin and the script is very weak. The "good" guys are idiots and mess up on every single turn. Non of them is likable. Not even Donnie Yen's character, which comes off as very conceited and bratty.

The action and script are not believable at all. They include:

- The commander miraculously released from the bad guy's cage without explanation.

- The protagonist finally finishes the bad guy, but doesn't check if he's dead or handcuffs him, instead he goes searching for a product placement.

- A 75 kg man picking up and catapulting a 130 kg man over his head without using momentum.

- A cop fighting a man with a mini Katana without trying to disarm him.

- A cop coming to kill a man, but using the element of surprise to waste all his bullets on anyone who is not the target, even though he
has a clear shot.

- The bad guy is videotaped playing golf with a cop's head, then his accomplice shoots the cop in the head, but this is insufficient evidence, apparently, to charge him with anything.

- A cop shooting at a hostage taker while the hostage is still alive, but not firing a single shot once he is executed. then doesn't call it in to warn other cops, so they get executed as well.

- A cop going to a dangerous neighborhood alone and unarmed.

- A woman saying she can't get pregnant, but next time she appears on screen, she has a month old baby.

- A man is beaten with sticks while running, but this doesn't hinder him at all. Then he gets beat up with sticks for several minutes but continues to stand maybe I missed the part where they said he was an android?).

- A cop has a few months to live, he is devoting his remaining time to taking out the bad guy, he's willing to destroy his reputation by faking evidence, but does not simply kill the bad guy when the bad guy confronts him on the street while his gun is drawn. Bam, would have ended the movie there, but no, had to make it complicated and get everyone killed. Great! no wander you're the commanding officer in this flick.

Oh, and finally, the good guys lose. That was worth sticking it out for...

The only redeeming points are Donnie Yen's and Jackie Wu's martial arts skills, as well as Sammo's surprising agility (although I think camera work and editing helped him out a little), but those are rarely seen. Without these, the movie is a 3. As it is I give this a 5.

People who liked this are welcome to chime in...

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Well you pretty much listed everything.

- slow motion dramatisation scenes were annoying and totally unnecessary,
- in the middle of the fight Wong Po hears and answers his cell phone,
- baby driving in a front passenger seat,
- they do a body search on Chan, but don't check his bag,
- insp. Ma pushed straight out of a bar without him falling over...

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The action and script are not believable at all. They include:

- The commander miraculously released from the bad guy's cage without explanation.

- The protagonist finally finishes the bad guy, but doesn't check if he's dead or handcuffs him, instead he goes searching for a product placement.

- A 75 kg man picking up and catapulting a 130 kg man over his head without using momentum.

- A cop fighting a man with a mini Katana without trying to disarm him.

- A cop coming to kill a man, but using the element of surprise to waste all his bullets on anyone who is not the target, even though he
has a clear shot.

- The bad guy is videotaped playing golf with a cop's head, then his accomplice shoots the cop in the head, but this is insufficient evidence, apparently, to charge him with anything.

- A cop shooting at a hostage taker while the hostage is still alive, but not firing a single shot once he is executed. then doesn't call it in to warn other cops, so they get executed as well.

- A cop going to a dangerous neighborhood alone and unarmed.

- A woman saying she can't get pregnant, but next time she appears on screen, she has a month old baby.

- A man is beaten with sticks while running, but this doesn't hinder him at all. Then he gets beat up with sticks for several minutes but continues to stand maybe I missed the part where they said he was an android?).

- A cop has a few months to live, he is devoting his remaining time to taking out the bad guy, he's willing to destroy his reputation by faking evidence, but does not simply kill the bad guy when the bad guy confronts him on the street while his gun is drawn. Bam, would have ended the movie there, but no, had to make it complicated and get everyone killed. Great! no wander you're the commanding officer in this flick.

Oh, and finally, the good guys lose. That was worth sticking it out for...


1. Wong Po's gang obtained the original copy of the videotape, from the witness who shot it, and gave it to the chief inspector. It showed everything: Wong Po bashing the undercover cop with a golf club followed by his henchman shooting the undercover cop dead. Earlier, a copy of the videotape was obtained. But before it was handed over as evidence, Chan and his crew erased the last part to make it look like Po was the one killing the undercover cop.

2. It was an artistic choice done by the director and his intention for viewers to get caught by surprise to make things more interesting.

3. Agreed. This is the only bad part in Donnie's otherwise incredible style of martial arts choreography.

4. Jack (Po's hitman) threw his knife into Lok's (the cop) arm. By then it was useless for Lok to defend himself with just one arm as Jack kept on bashing him with his fists before taking the knife out of Lok's arm for further damage.

5. It was never Chan's intention to kill Po even though they have had a long feud with each other. It was indicated that he wanted to put Po behind bars for good with any means necessary. Death was obviously not part of the deal, otherwise what's the whole point? When Chan arrives at Po's nightclub, his gang were present so there was no chance Chan could arrest Po. So shooting Po's gangsters dead made it easier for Chan to get through with the process, only to be stopped by Jack.

6. Read the answer to question 1.

7. Ma shot Jack in the shoulder so obviously his marksmanship was quite good. But when Jack held Lok hostage Ma had to compromise and look for other ways to get a clear shot. However, Jack did a smart move going far back into the dark areas making it hard for Ma to lock target on Jack. Shooting recklessly at Jack after killing off Lok would probably have hit him but chances of killing him would still is be very slim.

8. Chan was well-known by the gangs around those areas so they obviously had alot of respect for him. Had they assaulted him, serious consequences would've followed. Respect between cops and criminals, and reputation among individuals on either sides of the law are recurring themes in many of these kind of movies.

9. It was a miscarriage. Getting pregnant again after miscarriage is common.

10. Po's henchmen aren't ordinary guys paid to get bullied and take easy beatings from everyone. They are trained soldiers ordered to fight, kill and take hits. Coincidentally, the henchman happens to be played by a pro stuntman in real-life so having him run around and take hits as if they were nothing reflects my point as well as the stuntman's true stunt abilities.

11. Read the answer to question 5.

12. No, everyone lost in the end. The film follows a theme based on the Chinese astrology where death will be the cost if one were to commit bad things in life regardless of occupation, life situation, and morals. Chan took the law into his own hands and persuaded others to aid him in his quest for double-crossing, Ma impulsively beat up a drug trafficker and joined Chan and his crew, Po did the typical works of crime lords, Wah assisted Chan in his dirty schemes to frame Po and argued with his dad on a daily basis, Lok was part of Chan's corrupt team and left the good life in Brazil to work for a crooked cop, Sum was part of Chan's team and left his wife and kid when he was younger, and lastly Jack was killing off witnesses under Wong Po's command. The principal characters all did bad things so - no matter how much the characters tried to make things up for people they cared about - their actions required them to be punished in the end. Everyone dies and Po lost his family and his overall motivation to live life. One can simply imagine Po taking his own life shortly thereafter as a result. Contrived yeah, but that's the director's style.

- slow motion dramatisation scenes were annoying and totally unnecessary,
- in the middle of the fight Wong Po hears and answers his cell phone,
- baby driving in a front passenger seat,
- they do a body search on Chan, but don't check his bag,
- insp. Ma pushed straight out of a bar without him falling over...


1. It's only a matter of opinion. Some don't mind, others do.

2. I can't see any fault in that. Po was tired and couldn't do much else after getting beat up by Ma. Just a simple break-up between the fight scene and overall story progression.

3. Po's wife held the baby because she was waiting for Po to come down, like he told her to.

4. That makes sense. But at that point, they weren't concerned of a weapon being concealed inside the bag because the only thing they had in mind was the money he was bringing back and that weapons would be concealed on his body.

5. The result of being pushed forward for a long time is either way. I have seen people fall over and even walk backwards after being pushed during fights several times in my high school years, trust me.

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I agree.

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Looks like you are all looking for things to hate about this movie except for one rebuttal poster. Some things the OP satiates are wrong are based on a different societies norms, not China's.

The only criticism I have of the story is the glaring plot hole of them framing the murder when he was still clearly an accessory and would have ordered the hit. I suppose a reasonable rebuttal of this would be the framing compromised any other kind of prosecution for his involvement.

The praise this film got was because it went back to the late 80s early 90s style of Hong Kong martial art action crime movies at a time when the genre had run out of ideas and quality was low.

There's not many modern day Hong Kong martial action movies better either. They're all pretty flawed but with SPL there is enough dramatic weight and emotion to overlook these flaws.

It also made a change for both the 'good' guys and the main 'bad' guy to be a shade of grey. The 'good' guys do questionable things and the 'bad' guy shows that he also isn't always bad. You rarely get this level of complexity or shades of grey in a martial art action movie.

Finally it has some fantastic fight scenes. Donnie Yen's choreography is exceptional.

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