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What was the point of the car crash?


As far as I can tell the car crash Anton gets into near the end serves no narrative purpose. His character vanishes from the movie after that, and the last we see of this memorable character is him just walking away. What was the point?

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I think it's a bit of dark irony. Poetic justice can be funny.

You get the feeling that being in an accident is related to the philosophical mumbo-jumbo he uses to justify his actions. He implies he's aligned with natural forces.

That's his cool story, bro. It gives meaning to his existence. Otherwise he's just another psychopathic killer, but so what. There's plenty of them around. Put another way, don't mix him in with the others, or he'll become just another psycho killer. Which he is. And who would want that?

Before the accident, he'd gone out of his way to murder Carla Jean because he claimed he had no choice since he'd given his word to her husband. He also tells her he got there the same way the coin did. I.e. it's not down to something he willed, because he's just caught up in the flow of things.

It's the natural way, you see. He's just playing a part in what was meant to be. Notice how according to him the natural way, the way it was meant to be, just happens to always put him on top. But then, oopsie, he gets creamed in a car accident.

That too, must have been meant to be. Don't just write it off as an ordinary accident, because it's your lucky day, Mr. Meant To Be. Don't mix it in with the others or it will become just a random accident. Which it is. Dang!

The accident is, shall we say, a disruption. A destabilizing event. We can enjoy the joke of his belief being t-boned. He wouldn't get it, though. He can't afford to go there because it would mean giving up his cool story. I guess I'd say that he doesn't have a sense of humor when it comes to that. You notice how he got irritated when Carla Jean wouldn't play his game.

He wanders off and fades out because he's also a representative character. His kind of philosophy is a permanent affliction in human affairs. So it's fitting.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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It is irony. Unintended irony by larks. She is exactly right. What fun would it be if Cormac and the coens came up with just another psycho killer. If sugar fit that description he would never have won the Oscar.

Larks should reread what Wde wrote. He said it didn't matter who killed moss by his actions he was destined to die. It's the natural way. It is the same way with CJ hooking up with moss despite her mother's strong warnings. She chose her fate. Unlike the truck driver and others who got killed by moss putting them in the jackpot on a moments notice.

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Trying to convey that Shugar has very dark days ahead and that the hand of fate is quickly turning against him !!!


That is what I got out of it.

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Interesting post by gold. Wishful thinking on his part though. Sugar was injured before and bounced back quickly.

You have to understand movie making. The scene wasn't shot as depressing. The coens didn't make it seem like the beginning of the end for sugar. It reinforces that he is like a ghost and has a hard bark.

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I think that's a good way of looking at it. It's also just an accident. To be consistent, Chigurh would have to admit that. That was his wink to the gas station proprietor, who was too much in shock to get it. So now that view down on the accident from the overhead camera angle, the God's eye view? It's God, McCarthy, the Coens, giving the wink this time.

See, "fate" is a belief. A human invention. That's why it can have so many interpretations. Chigurh likes to apply it to others where he gets to play the role of fate's lieutenant. So it's funny when fate literally whacks him upside the head. He's too big for his britches. Another word for it is "vanity."

"Fate" doesn't necessarily exist in the world. So the accident, on the one hand, is fate. That's one choice of seeing it. On the other hand it's just an accident. A subtle wink that Chigurh's philosophy is nonsense. It's just plain old determinism dusted off and dressed up a little. That cool story is old, bro.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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Larks doesn't get that no country is fiction. We all know in real life karma or fate doesn't come and get you. John Lennon said instant karma's going to get you gonna knock you off your feet. John doesn't really believe that. But the idea he is stating isn't that karma is nonsense just as Cormac and the coens aren't saying that what sugar is saying is nonsense. They have no interest in that simplistic conclusion. They have a different purpose.

Larks doesn't put 2 and 2 together. A variation of fate is a concept that has been around for thousands of years. You reap what you sow. That's what CJ's mom is saying when she previsions moss' appointment with disaster. Larks won't understand this is the opposite of determinism. Sugar accepts this principle. That's what Cormac and the coens are taking about.

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this is the opposite of determinism. Sugar accepts this principle.

The point missed there is caused by misunderstanding the difference between determinism and the phrase "reap what you sow." Boiled down it's a matter of proportion.

It's a convenient determinism the way Chigurh applies it. "Reap what you sow" doesn't mean every choice you make must necessarily lead to an inevitable and exact end. As we know, a great many people do not reap what they sow, for good or bad. It's just a general observation.

It also doesn't mean that somebody gets to personally ensure that exact end by playing the Reaper -- which happens to be a cool story they can tell themselves to make their life feel meaningful. Chigurh's just being an opportunist, but the truth is "It's just you," as CJ says.

Chigurh really hates being called on his fake "principle," the transparent bs he's not making choices but just going with the flow. For me that's the best part of the CJ scene.

Then he gets a real dusting in the intersection. His "principle" ends up as exposed and broken as that arm bone. Gotta love the irony.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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I agree with Wde and CJ's mom. They say it is not one man who killed moss it is the natural course of events generated by moss. In other words moss died of natural causes around 30 years old.

Larks illogic would say it wasn't his activity that caused his death but the Mexicans. This in step with CJ saying to sugar it's just you. But who cares what the dippy CJ and the dippy larks say? CJ's mom meant that she previsioned what would happen to moss but just as strongly moss would drag CJ down with him. You reap what you sow.

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Same mistake there, the confusion of proportion.

The thing about what I'd say? It's not what I'd say. I've said what I want to say. A pearl, that needs no improvement. I address it to those able to appreciate it. It's not cast before, well... those who can't.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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You know larks lost the argument when she tells us how smart she is.

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Looks like we'll have to learn to live with knowing the other thinks they've won.

There, done.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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Great reply. Wish there were more thoughtful takes on these boards.

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In the book, the accident takes place well after Moss's death. Anton leaves a pistol in the car and it's linked to the killing of Carla Jean. Sheriff Bell comes to the town to investigate but has no leads and leaves dejected. Maybe that's when he goes to his uncle's house.

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He goes to his uncle's before he goes to investigate the leads.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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Before that crash, I was suspecting that Anton didn't really exist as a real person, but was a metaphor for the evil that was talking over. When that accident occurred and he barely reacted to a compound fracture of his arm, I was sure of it.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules. "
-Walter Sobchak

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Has information ever seen a movie before? I'm sure information doesn't exist as a real person.

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That is my interpretation of the character and I think it fits in with the overall theme of the movie. What is your interpretation?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules. "
-Walter Sobchak

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I give info credit for trying. I hope info is a young person and will get better as time goes on.

Rule 1. No country is a fictional story. No character is real in fiction.

There are a lot of metaphors flying around in no country. Bell, moss and wells are all metaphors. I mean look at their names. Do you think there is no purpose behind those names?

Sugar is totally unique with all his rules and principles. He received an Oscar for best supporting character. The best of all the movies made that year. It's laughable to say that Sugar is a blueprint for future evil. There is only one sugar.

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My personal belief is the car crash does him in. He suvived and escaped all we witnessed in this movie and undoubtedly prior. The compound fracture which he will try to treat himself gives him blood poisoning and he dies after killing all those people for the $.

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Anton represents plenty. Death comes in all shapes and forms. You can see him at the store, on the side of the road, in your bedroom... Or going down a quiet road in Texas somewhere.

I think it's meant to ask more questions than it answers and it's one of my favorite parts of the film, simply because he walks away. We can say that he's finally met his ironic match. You can't see what's coming. That's Vanity. It leads into Ed Toms dream talk. With the dissolve from scene to scene, Anton walking in the distance. Always in the back of Ed Toms mind.

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Although I won't go so far to say that there isn't anything important in the scene, I personally don't see a lot of purpose behind it and think it is obscure by choice.

I believe it's a bit of a writer's trick that the Coen brothers use to give the audience something odd at the end to encourage you to think about it after you've seen it.

It's a trend I've noticed with their other films, which often end on some bizarre, seemingly random and unrelated event happening. Examples include the water dripping from the pipe in Blood Simple, the bird falling in the ocean in Barton Fink, and the UFO in The Man Who Wasn't There. (I would have given a spoiler warning, but I think those scenes are too obscure to spoil anything)

The downside to this technique is that it can lead to the audience spending more time trying to decode meaning from the text than the authors did in encoding it, which I feel is a failure of the author to properly communicate their message.

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Good post Phoenix. I think the flip side is that people like kmag want to have something exotic to hold on to. Almost everyone who sugar kills is as part of his effort to find the money. Given that why does sugar represent death?

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I think it is to show that Anton is as much a victim of fate as everyone else who he seems to be the delivery man of such fate. Anton plays God in the film, he decides whether people live or die, but he introduces the coin toss to remove himself from some decisions, and to give weaker people a fair chance. The accident reveals that Anton is NOT God, and he must follow the same rules of chance as everyone else.

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Surrender Dorothy!

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Of course of all the people sugar kills in the movie not one is after losing the coin toss.

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Vincent provides an interesting post. But I think sugar plays the gatekeeper a la st Peter in the Catholic religion. Besides if he thinks he is God why would he not want to take responsibility?

Sugar never says he is not subject to the same rules as everyone else. Most people like Vincent can't understand no country is a fable about karma not random chance. Karma is why sugar gets in the accident based on what he has been putting up his entire life.

Cormac and the coens are saying what even deeply religious people understand. The only Heaven is continuing to live on this planet.

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I wouldn't say it is about Karma at all. Norma Jean dies at the end (based on the fact that Anton checks his boots for blood before leaving the house), what is the Karma in that? What is the Karma in the police officer dying at the beginning?

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Surrender Dorothy!

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It's only karma with sugar because the car accident was indirect. Norma Jean? Is Vincent saying Marilyn Monroe was killed by sugar? In any event CJ and the deputy were killed directly. No karma.

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I thought there was irony in the scene, because the scene before that Anton give Carla Jean a chance to live or die based off of a coin. And just like the flip of a coin, pure chance happened to catch up with him. But in the end, it's not fate like he tries to say. It's the way Carla Jean said it's up to him and there's no power in the coin. So even though he has a freak accident, karma and fate and all that doesn't exist.

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The crash also set up the interaction with the kids riding bikes, where Anton asks for the kids shirt and tells them to say they didn’t see him there. Anton then gives one kid a $100 dollar bill, which immediately causes conflict between the two friends, as the other kid says “you know half of that is mine” and then they begin to argue with each other. I think that could be interpreted as showing how dishonest money can cause jealousy/greed/conflict between people. Just as how nearly, if not all, of the violence and evil done throughout the movie was caused because different groups of people and individuals all wanted the suitcase full of money. I’m also pretty sure that the $100 bill that Anton gives the kid has blood on it, which could be viewed as imagery alluding to the idea that money, specifically ill gotten money, corrupts and causes damage/violence/conflict. Two friends riding bikes together happily + a bloody $100 from Anton to lie = The friends arguing and fighting (which leads to who knows what between them). Just as Moss hunting + finding suitcase of money at a drug deal gone wrong massacre = the destruction of him, his wife, and a bunch of other people with varying degrees of connection to the money.

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Brilliant observation with the kids and the money.

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