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so she actually caused it?


by trying to stop him from dying, she actually ended up causing his death?


Went into New Moon Team Jacob and came out Team Edward... thats backwards right?

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Looks like ... as he was always fated to be killed, she was always the reason. She just played the part she was destined to play!

The fiery crash should have been the ending, IMO, like a Twilight Zone episode, and the earlier interview with the minister (which was linked to the unnecessary epilogue) could have been dropped. I don't think any kind of explicit reason for the premonition should have been even offered.

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She would have known he died and not need sheriff

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spoilers on the heading.


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Exactly.It's called self-fulfilling prophecy even from the Ancient Greece days :
The knowledge of a future event leads you to cause it;if you didn't know or rather imagine about it nothing would have happened.In other words this knowledge is not real,it's just an artificial vision imagined by the supposed "prophet",who then turns this vision into actual facts.
The whole movie suffers from predestination paradoxes,which are the direct outcome of this "prophecy":
There can be no way to tell where the original knowledge of all the events comes from.
I really hoped that in the end she would turn out to have gone insane after the death of her husband and all this back-and-forth in time was just in her head.This would make everything smooth and clear.
Unfortunately they went for the Cassandra's dreams solution and messed everything up...

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I expected two things... either she gets killed at the end or she changes the future enough to make him stay with her.I thought of a self-fulfilling prophecy too but wasn't expecting it, since the movie would appear like a time waste xDGetting presented the end right at the beginning and then just watch 90 minutes for it to happen.Well, was good enough nonetheless.---Lincoln Lee: I lost a partner.Peter Bishop: I lost a universe!

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No, she didn't.

Good points by the others who replied, but there one little thing: In the premonition, Jim was simply decapitated.

What ended up happening was that he was burnt up. (He might have been decapitated as well, but the head rolling out of the coffin didn't appear burnt.

Of course, the point could still be argued.

That's what all the predestination paradoxes do: argue endlessly because the central issue is "predestination or not?"

If we reject predestination, then there's no point in taking about anymore than talking about the moon being made of green cheese or the Earth being flat.

OTOH, if we accept -- or believe in -- predestination, then Destiny is like Rome... all roads lead to it. It's just a question of which road you take.

Perhaps, this is why the major question about someone recently deceased for the ancient Greeks was whether their life was lived with passion or not. The rest didn't really matter.

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I thought it meant you can't fight fate

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What ended up happening was that he was burnt up. (He might have been decapitated as well, but the head rolling out of the coffin didn't appear burnt.
I assume his head was flung out of the car, unaffected by the fire. There was enough force. The explosion came later. ---Lincoln Lee: I lost a partner.Peter Bishop: I lost a universe!

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The accident scene was just ridiculous. She killed him with all her I-love-you-and-I-love-you-too-... Well, you guys know how a woman can wear a man to a frazzle with all this romantic claptrap. ;) The whole scene was predictable, you could have a premonition of it.

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First of all, on spoilers... I think it should nearly be accepted on these fora that spoilers will be discussed... I mean they are pretty much for people who have seen the films. It would be ridiculous if we all had to cover all our posts with spoiler warnings in case the odd person who hasn't yet seen it wanders in.

I think the idea was that the personified "death" (The Grim Reaper or whatever) was after him and was going to get him at that spot no matter what...

A bit silly really...

Put it this way - he died a different way in the original premonition than he did in "reality" in the end. So he would have died either way.

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I think the idea was that the personified "death" (The Grim Reaper or whatever) was after him and was going to get him at that spot no matter what...

A bit silly really...

Put it this way - he died a different way in the original premonition than he did in "reality" in the end. So he would have died either way.

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Abit like the Final destination movies, basically you cannot fight fate

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I had a completely different interpretation to the movie.

In my view it was tackling the predestination and grandfather paradoxes.

The idea being that if you travelled back in time then anything you did would already be part of history so you could only fulfil history rather than change it.

For example, say you went back in time with the intention of killing your grandfather before he met your grandmother. This would mean that one of your parents would never have been born and therefore you would not have been born which means you could not have gone back in time.

So one of the solutions to this is the predestination paradox as i mentioned above, it wouldn't matter what you did but events would unfold where you would never be able to kill your grandfather.

This is why i was really disappointed with the movie because i thought it was obviously early on that she was on a fixed path and nothing could be changed

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I don´t think she really caused it. In my opinion he was doomed from the beginning, with or without her.
We are to think it´s about saving her husband, but in reality it´s all about the baby--that´s what I believe.

In the "normal"week they were not close enough to get a baby, in this alternate week she is reaching across the distance and the result ist...a new life.

Bit cheesy... ;-)

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This is kind of the answer to another thread but I will post it here also. I think that's why her week was "out of order." Not only did she witness his death but maybe also caused it. The shock and guilt of that was so strong that she had a disassociative episode. I think that's the term anyway. When something is SO disturbing to you, you forget it on the conscious level.

That was my thought during that scene.

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