The Patriot?
Would you say that this was Russia's version of "The Patriot"?
shareNo. When Russia decides to borrow an idea for a movie from Hollywood -- which they do do, by the way -- they usually buy the rights for Russia & the CIS, translate the title into something appropriate in Russian, and proceed to make their own adaptation. They did that, for example, with "The Fugitive" and "My Big, Fat Greek Wedding" a few years ago, have made long running adaptations of "The Nanny" and "Ugly Betty", and have just finished making a Russian version of "Sex in the City". This movie was not borrowed. It was Russian from beginning to end.
I suspect what really happened is that a few elements seemed vaguely familiar to something you sort-of remember from "The Patriot" -- such as the hero having a mouth, a nose, and two eyes -- so you assumed, maybe only subconsciously, that since in your mind Russia is an inferior nation, incapable of creating anything on their own, those damn Russians simply must have stolen it from the great entertainment juggernaut of the world, the only place capable of true creativity, the USA's very own Hollywood. You remind me of the Americans who saw "Nochnoy dozor", didn't understand anything they saw, and then said it was a Russian rip-off of "Blade" and "Underworld". Get over yourself. I'm an American, by the way. I live in Los Angeles.
Now, did you understand the film? Do you know anything about the history of The Great Northern War between Sweden and Russia? Do you know who the main characters are, who the different factions are, and what their relationships are? Do you understand that the climax took place at the Battle of Poltava?
If you want to learn, here's a start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Poltava.
I actually thought "Deja vú? Ah, it's The Patriot" in the scene where the French guy frees the Russian sergeant.
shareWould you please explain your deja vú in more detail. Exactly how is that scene reminiscent of any scene in "The Patriot"?
shareOne guy goes nuts and kill and the redcoats/bluecoats. The whole part is just so extremely similar in both style and story to the Patriot.
The Patriot:
Brits come and burn down Mel's farm, kills his son and drags another one along. Mel decides to free him, grabs his two (other) sons and plans an ambush. In said ambush Mel almost single-handedly kills the extremely clumsy redcoats and save his son.
Sovereign's Servant:
Swedes come and burn down Frog's friend's village, kills the friend's wife and drags the friend along. Frog decides to free him, which he does by confronting them on their path. In said confrontation, Frog almost single-handedly kills the extremely clumsy bluecoats and save his friend.
Is that clear enough for yah? xD
So, let me see. Fire is an American invention, developed for use in "The Patriot", right? So any and all scenes involving fire in any film, past, present, or future, are directly stolen from "The Patriot"? And heroism in the face of seemingly insurmountable odds is also an American invention, also developed specifically for use in "The Patriot", right? I'm sure war, guns and bullets, and death, as well as having a hero with two eyes, a nose, and a mouth, were also American inventions, right?
The truth is that your subconscious mind is so saturated with American cinema, that you see it everywhere. It's in you, not in "Sluga Gosudarev". Do you have similar problems with the English language, hearing English words everywhere, as well, like these misheard Chinese lyrics? --
Jolin Tsai's "Love Love Love", the misheard English lyrics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zdg3bZ4WDk#
Are you blind or something? It was a scene which was almost entirely COPIED of the almost identical one in The Patriot. But I guess in your eyes you could take any film, remake it with other actors, and still it wouldn't be a copy. Not saying that this entire film is a copy of The Patriot, even though its STYLE is VERY SIMILAR to that of The Patriot.
'Heroism' in the face of insurmountable odds? Are you some goddamn war romantic or what? Do you know what would have happened to our dear Frog in RL? He'd killed the two Swedes with his pistols, and then gotten shot himself. Some thing would have happened with Mel.
Just as a side note here; I'm not American. However, there is nothing wrong with being that. So you can just take your anti-American rhetoric and shove it up your arse.
I am an American. I live in Los Angeles. I don't see any connection between the movies at all.
I don't memorize and dissect videos as there's something called YOUTUBE. I'm not some artsy film maker, I've got a real life. Compare the gunshot sounds in these two vids. The *ping sounds exactly the same! How can you not see this. Even the sounds of the dying men are identical!
TSS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24gQKRF9aJ0
TP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsdm7UArGcI
The US often take ideas and make them into shows like "The Office", "Ugly Betty", or the more recent "The Uninvited" sometimes with good results, sometimes churning out crap. Just because the Russians took an idea and made it into their own doesn't mean they're stupid plagiarizers. I respect Russian cinema and the Patriot was a textbook case of sentimental hogwash. The Russians did a good job in making another movie that was quite frankly stylistically the same.
"What this period of history marked was Russia's final emergence, under the vision and leadership Peter the Great, and after centuries of struggle with its neighbors, as a modern, westernized European state."
You've just basically outlined my own argument. While the events in America were apparently insignificant (I've got a few articles from The Times that say otherwise) to Europe, they were big for America. Its no easy feat beating one of the greatest powers of the day. The Patriot was a movie about the coming of age for America like the Sovereigns Servant was about the coming of age for Russia. I'd argue the the American Revolution impacted Europe as it also helped to fuel Republican revolutions in Europe.
errr gee u assume a lot. I'm not even American. The country I live in has actually been defined by it's resistance to American culture and policies.
I was leaning more towards the fact that this movie defined a time when Russia started coming into it's own as a real nation, just like America gained their independence in the Patriot. Obviously this movie was partly borrowed seeing as they used numerous sounds from the Patriot. There's also the fact that this is a MOVIE, not REAL LIFE. Its based on the conflict of the time but its hardly a way to judge the real underlying truths of the different factions, just like Mel Gibson didn't fight the English in both Scotland and America. In other words ITS JUST A STORY, CALM DOWN. And I've had my fair share of studying books on military campaigns: I don't need an unreliable and partially sourced article to tell me what happened.
What country do you live in, but for some reason don't name, that's defined by its resistance to America culture, yet where American movies are watched, studied, dissected, and memorized down to the last detail, and then defended against any and all possible encroachment? And what were these "sounds" that were "borrowed"? Overlooking for the moment how individual "sounds" could even be taken out of a mixed soundtrack, were they, say, gunshots or cannon fire, or chirping birds, did they use a Wilhelm scream, or was it just human speech? Are you absolutely sure that you aren't seeing and hearing connections that just aren't there?
And I don't see any parallels with American history. With the exception of the few brief decades of the Mongol conquests, Russia was never under the rule of another nation. Its break with its predecessors, the Byzantine slavs of Ukraine, was gradual and, for the most part, peaceful. What this period of history marked was Russia's final emergence, under the vision and leadership Peter the Great, and after centuries of struggle with its neighbors, as a modern, westernized European state. America's Revolutionary War wasn't nearly as expansive, and did not leave America on a par with the European states. In fact, as far as the British were concerned, America didn't even really win; the British simply left for a while, returning again in 1812.
Byzantine slavs of Ukraine
There was no such thing as "Byzantine" slavs of Ukraine.
the few brief decades of the Mongol conquests
"Few brief decades" of Mongol dominance that lasted two and a half centuries...
America's Revolutionary War wasn't nearly as expansive, and did not leave America on a par with the European states
Because it wasn't a war of EXPANSION but a war for INDEPENDENCE.
In fact, as far as the British were concerned, America didn't even really win; the British simply left for a while, returning again in 1812
ROTFL! Than is so laughably dumb and ignorant that it's not even worth commenting. share
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