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Pope Benedict welcomes film


The current Pope liked it:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/pope_dc

"I would like to extend my gratitude to the actors for honoring the memory of my illustrious and loved predecessor," the pope said following the screening. "Viewing this film has reopened my gratitude to God for providing us with a pope both so human and so spiritual. . . . I welcome the distribution of this film."

The film, which received a brief standing ovation with applause throughout, opens with the 1981 assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II by a young Turkish man in St. Peter's Square.

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who cares who's going to waste their time watching this worthless crap.

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How do you know its worthless if you haven't seen it?

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Interesting. You say this movie is a worthless crap, but you took the time to make a strong point about it.

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Well I disagree. I'm not catholic, heck I don't believe in god - but being interested in twentieth century history (along with papal history from a secular viewpoint) I took the time to sit down and watch it. Religious or not, John Paul II was one of that century's most important historical figures - so I don't believe this film only appeals to catholics.

On a critical side however, some points which I wish the film would have dealt with:

1) Why the Polish communists were so philosophically opposed to the catholic church in Poland. Regardless whether they were right or wrong, there's always two sides to every argument.

2) In the first conclave, they have Benelli receieving votes along with Siri and Luciani - but almost every reconstruction (because the voting results are kept secret, although details have been leaked over the years) has Benelli getting no votes because Benelli had made it known he was not running and himself was pushing for Luciani to be elected. And Wojtyla (JP2) actually got as many as four votes at one point in the first conclave, they should have shown his reaction to that.

3) It would have been fitting to then later shown Luciani (John Paul I) mentioning how he wasn't qualified to be pope (which he complained on a daily basis while pope) and that "the foreigner" who sat across from him would soon succeed him. One of Luciani's secretary's later looked up the seating arangmenets of the September conclave and found that Wojtyla sat directly across from Luciani.

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1) It wasn't just Polish communists. One of the edicts of Lenin's communism was the removal of God from daily life. In time, he thought, the State would replace God in the lives of the proletariat.

2&3) I also wish some more time was spent on the conclave, but I figure this is one the sacrifices they had to made to spend time on the young Pope's formative youth in German and Russian occupied Poland, and his work as Pope for 26 years.

3) I didn't know that about John Paul I. Do you have a link to where this information is? I'd love to read more about it.

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RE: "I also wish some more time was spent on the conclave"

Until we see the second part, it's tough to comment - but my own suspicions are they won't convey much (if at all) of the drama and tension of the second conclave. I'm curious to see if they make reference to how Wojtyla originally wanted to name himself Pope Stanislaus I but Cardinal Koening disuaded him from doing so.

RE: "I didn't know that about John Paul I. Do you have a link to where this information is?"

Almost any book that discusses John Paul I will almost always mention that he personally felt that he was not suited for the papacy. During the conclave when he caught wind that the cardinals were serious about electing him, he tried to make it known that he felt ill-suited for pontiff but the cardinals just wrote this off as polite humbleness (and not a serious warning).

As for "the foreigner" comment, it's mentioned in the book "A Thief In The Night" written by John Cromwell. It's a great, balanced read into the death of John Paul I and how all the assorted conspiracies theories are baseless.

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So you took your "valuable" time to actively go to the IMDB entry, look through the posts, then find one and post your uneeded bashing? You're just like the people who go to the Syriana board and post THIS MOVIE SUCKS!

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It takes about 20 seconds to type a message. And yeah, this movie sucked.

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I disagree.

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Would you care to elaborate on why you think the movie "sucked"?

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Trying to post their ridiculous views to everyone. Especially on safe sex lets not promote safe sex and have everyone get infected. Anywyas their beliefs are stupid wasn't the Pope also considering trying to get rid of sports on Sundays. What a moron! I'm glad I didn't waste my time watching this trash. It's another way of the republicans putting bland crap on tv trying to send their religios message into everyone's household. I'm sorry I do believe in God.

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^^^^^wow....now that was ignorant.

I'm a Catholic, but believe the message of Pope John Paul II was universal. He didn't force people of other faiths to join Catholicism. He had a message of peace and love. Are you saying thats a bad message?

He was an interesting man, with an interesting life and an important message.

And a lot of people would rather not have things on Sundays, especially stores. Constantine declared Sundays a day of rest for workers, so it essentially goes back to the Roman Empire, so if you have an issue with this rule, take it up with him.

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Now wait a minute. First of all, up until the Anglican/Episcopal Church broke away in the 1930s, it was universally held among churches and religious that "safe sex" in terms of contraception in any form, whether it be the Pill or condoms or IUDs or diaphragms, was wrong. Even back then, critics of contraceptives argued that it would lead to the degradation of society by destroying the family, lead to an increase in the objectivication of women, and devalue the human life, all of which (surprise) are happening as we speak. The human life is seen as an inconvenience to be avoided at all costs, when in reality it is the most natural consequence of sex. By removing the consequence from the act, all you do is lead to a self-seeking indulgence of lust. Sex is meant to be the fulfillment of the wedding vows, by giving yourself as a faithful, whole, FRUITFUL gift. It's an all or nothing deal. By removing any possibility of being fruitful, you also say that you aren't giving yourself wholly or faithfully, and by doing that you turn the vows said at the altar into a lie. And if you're not going to be faithful AFTER marriage, why be faithful to your future spouse BEFORE marriage? Once again, if all sex becomes is a selfish indulgence of lust, women generally become mere objects to be used for self-gratification rather than partners in a holy union. Women don't like it either, and they often turn to sex as a means of emotional gratification rather than physical. Granted, even in a distortion of the truth, there is still a glimmer of it left. Yet none of these are a whole gift of self, a faithful gift of self, or a fruitful gift of self. All anyone wants is love in this world, but sex that is abused and improperly treated is just a counterfeit.

Oh, and as for "getting everyone infected," I would imagine the rates of STDs are considerably higher now than they were before condoms. Besides, most can be transmitted by contact other than genital (herpes, anyone?), and condoms, which are semi-porous, don't stop viruses like HIV that are smaller than sperm and can pass through the membrane.

Why are we against contraception? Gee, I can't imagine.

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regardless of any of that, it's simply ignorant to say, "I don't believe with the catholic church on birth control, therefor a movie about the pope is gonna suck."

I'm not catholic, and I was totally interested. Personally, even if you are against the pope, I think you should educate yourself and not just rant off about how stupid he is without any actual knowledge.

Now, the movie may be biased in some ways, but it's still a better foundation for learning that just spouting ignorance. (Not aimed at you, IQ-but posters before you.)

When did having an uninformed opinion and staying uninformed become something to brag about?

If you have a strong oppinion for or against the pope, you could be interested in this movie. If you're curious because you don't know that much about him, you could be interested in this movie. Only poeple who really don't care would think the movie was 'a waste of time.'

Being as the POPE is a greatly influential person in world events, I don't see how a movie about him could be considered a waste of time by anybody with a brain, whether they love him, hate him, don't personally care, don't know, or anything in between.

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Since when Catholic people are trying to "post their ridiculous views to everyone"?
I live in Europe and I have travelled a lot. Maybe in Poland or Slovakia or Italy where I have been catholic people are not socially excluded and almost officially banned their beliefs.
In Europe everything is ok except for being catholic. Islam is ok and fashionable, new age, buddism and other staff ( no offence here), but not being catholic.
In most of schools everything is taught but not fair history of christianism ( ex: ISA Amsterdam), it is allowed to wear muslim dress, but it is not allowed to wear a cross on your neck. Weird culture...

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I completely agree. We live in a society, where being politically correct over-rides the natural human response to anything (sorry I know this isn't specific), where in order to be tolerant of what were previously the minority, we must ostracise the majority. This is especially evident when it comes to Catholics, and to other Christians.
Some of our practices and beliefs may seem 'Out-dated', but they are important to us and should be respected in the same way that we respect others.I was raised Catholic, educated through Catholic schools, went through a phase where I questioned my beliefs (we are encouraged to try and understand our religion) and as such have a greater understanding/acceptance of what being Catholic means.
Recently in Australia, a young Catholic school girl, was forbidden from wearing her crucifix necklace because - which was quite small and could barely be seen around her neck. This was ridiculous, as it did not in any way distract from the uniform. Yet, earlier in the year there was a big issue because a young Muslim girl wanted to wear the traditional head-wear with her uniform and was granted permission to do so.
I don't believe that Catholics, are constantly trying to espouse their beliefs on others at all, nor do we encourage exclusion of others. In fact quite the opposite, we are bombarded with anti-Catholic sentiments from all facets of pop-culture every day. If we speak out against this, we are seen as un-cool.
I am especially offended by the antics of one of the most popular musical artists, who during her concert comes onto stage tied to a cross wearing a crown of thorns - it's one thing to be artistic and push boundaries, it's another to be completely tasteless.

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^^
lol then buddy prepare to be bankrupt. that doesnt sound like any commie =\

oh and "ishnianqueen" OMG i completely agreed with everything you posted! =O
i couldn't have put it better even if i tried :)

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