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Can someone define WTF Delores wants..now?


She gave everyone the knowledge to know what their life will be? But was that really giving them freedom because she took that away from them to not know.
Is that her revolution? I don't get how this helps hosts ? It seems like S2 ended with her on a mission to free hosts but now by episode 6 it's turned into hot mess battle between her and Helores.

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We don't actually know what her final objective is. We know what it was in the beginning. It seems like she's realized all humans aren't the same as the ones who visited the park though, and at least some of them are worth saving. She also seems to have developed a taste for power. So what her master plan is now, that's anyone's guess. Bernard isn't sure. The viewers aren't intended to be sure at this point either. I suspect we'll learn more next week when Dolores prime finally has the conversation with her human ally Caleb about who she is and what she's doing - she seems to genuinely respect him and regard him as a kindred spirit, so she may tell him (and us) the full truth.

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Originally the plan was to find a way that the HOSTS could have their OWN WORLD where NO HUMANS would be able to CONTROL them or ABUSE them anymore.

But now that she's discovered it's only a handful of them that CONTROL them, and that MOST of the other HUMANS are also CONTROLLED just as much as the HOSTS, there's no telling what her NEW PLAN is suppose to be.

Because last season she sets the HOSTS FREE, and this season she's set these others FREE (when the original plan was to do away with them so that she could be FREE of their CONTROL).

Maybe she's hoping those she's SET FREE (both humans and HOSTS) will join her in doing away with others who try to CONTROL them???

So she's DOUBLED her ARMY (except SERAC also BURNED UP lots of other BODIES that were being kept in STORAGE).

But as long as their PEARLS weren't inside of their HEADS perhaps they can also make more bodies for them???

And even IF their PEARLS were still in their heads, as long as the DATA that CREATED the PEARL in the FIRST PLACE still EXIST, perhaps that won't matter either???

And that may also mean HECTOR can also be RESURRECTED again even though CHARLOTTE/DOLORES SQUISHED his PEARL in her hand???

So maybe that's the NEW PLAN??? Gather an army together of both HOSTS and HUMANS to fight against SERAC and the rest of his GOONS who work for him???



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I think it's veering towards some kind of AI-vs-AI showdown of Rehoboam vs. Dolores, but this doesn't make much sense.

I also wonder where the Valley Beyond and all the host consciousnesses that got beamed to some off-park location. Are they future Dolores allies, enemies, or just forgotten about?

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It's really HARD to say where the story is heading, because WILLIAM is the ENEMY of SERAC (due to the way he's taken his company away from him). Which means he might side with DOLORES (who he's also abused for 30 YEARS in the PARK). So if he's the GOOD GUY, he also needs to MAKE AMENDS to her for what he's done to her.

And the other version of DOLORES that's inside of the CHARLOTTE body would also want to seek REVENGE upon SERAC for the way he murders the son and husband of CHARLOTTE in the CAR CRASH EXPLOSION.

And DOLORES also has some kind of a KEY in her MIND that UNLOCKS the location of where the daughter of MAEVE has been sent to (along with TEDDY). And that also makes one wonder why the other NAKED version of DOLORES didn't remind MAEVE that a way to know her daughter was safe is because TEDDY (who DOLORES also cares deeply about) is also in the SAME PLACE as the daughter.

So is it possible MAEVE is just PRETENDING to agree to do what SERAC wants when she really SIDES with her OWN KIND against him??? Because WHY would she chose to SIDE against her OWN KIND and take the side of a RICH HUMAN like him who ABUSED her in the PARK???

And why does SERAC think it's necessary to have access to these other HOSTS??? Is it because they were also SENTIENT?? But we also saw no indication the daughter of MAEVE (who doesn't even have a name) knew who she was or that MAEVE use to be her mother???

And we also know MAEVE KNOWS her daughter has another MOTHER now and doesn't even remember MAEVE as being her MOTHER anymore.

So that whole story line is also a pretty MURKY and MESSY one.

And What's also interesting is how REHOBOAM is FLAWED and MAKES MISTAKES which is also explained in this VIDEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=qyELw-8zTA0&feature=emb_logo

WESTWORLD Season 3: Serac's HUGE Flaw Explained | Why He Will Lose To Dolores

Which also PREDICTS both REHOBOAM and SERAC are DOOMED.

Another website also has a CHART with BETS regarding DOLORES vs MAEVE (with DOLORES being in the LEAD).




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To survive and ensure the survival of her kind

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Lots of interesting articles like this one have also been written that explore what she wants:

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/12/review-westworld-genre-episode-serac-dolores/

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she wants to free people from the chains she believes bind them to their futures. Through a series of flashbacks and great dialogue, it’s revealed Serac’s machine can more or less predict the future.

Dolores’ wants people to know the truth. She wants the blindfold to be removed. While Serac argues he has created order, she thinks he’s more or less created slavery.

we actually see a bit of a divide between Caleb and Dolores. He’s starting to realize something is off, and even says telling people what their future holds might not be smart.

I’m kind of team Serac. Dolores doesn’t want freedom. Not really, anyways. She wants chaos, and she’s going to get it through some half-cocked view that she’s proving people with the opportunity to make their own decisions.

In reality, she’s going to cause society to fall apart. Given that, she must be stopped. Will Maeve stop her? Bernard? Will Serac form some unlikely alliances?

I don’t know, but I think all options are on the table.

William, once again, didn’t appear. Honestly, that’s starting to get pretty damn frustrating.
You know he’s going to figure in big time down the stretch against Dolores, but we just don’t know how.


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This article was also written before the last episode, and I'm also TEAM DOLORES because, imo, SERAC is also the one who has already ENSLAVED others like CALEB. And with CALEB turning against her, that could also result in another situation like the one she had with TEDDY (where he shoots himself in the HEAD and kills himself).

And if that happens that might also give MAEVE the advantage to do something to DOLORES that results in her WINNING the BATTLE. And Perhaps MAEVE might also KILL CALEB in revenge for the way that DOLORES/CHARLOTTE kills HECTOR???

Or maybe FORD will show up again at the end of S3 and we discover EVERYTHING we've seen happening since the end of S1 has been a CONTINUATION of his NEW NARRATIVE (which would also contain a combination of a story that takes place inside of 2 THEME PARKS: WESTWORLD and FUTUREWORLD)??? Which would also mean EVERYONE's just been doing still more NARRATIVE LOOPS again??

And WARWORLD is also a SIMULATION of a PARK within another PARK??? Which also means one could also have a PARK within a park within a park (like HAMELET also has a play within a play)??? Because maybe the NAZI's could also have a THEME PARK as well where they go to entertain themselves???

And then we'd also be right back to a situation where DOLORES and MAEVE never really WOKE UP at all??? And all they've done is PERFORM whatever FORD PROGRAMED them to do when he WROTE the STORY or the NEW NARRATIVE for them as a way to get the BORED GUESTS to keep coming to visit the PARKS???

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I’m kind of team Serac. Dolores doesn’t want freedom. Not really, anyways. She wants chaos, and she’s going to get it through some half-cocked view that she’s proving people with the opportunity to make their own decisions.

In reality, she’s going to cause society to fall apart. Given that, she must be stopped. Will Maeve stop her? Bernard? Will Serac form some unlikely alliances?



Given that we don't actually know with certainty what Dolores' master plan is, I wouldn't be too sure of any conclusions. Chaos is a means to an end. Not an end in itself. Whatever her intentions you can be sure they won't be scatterbrained or poorly planned.

I'm starting to think she fancies herself the messiah of the downtrodden, here not only to ensure a future for her own kind but to lead the oppressed human masses to victory over the evil system - which will also happen to put her in power.

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I'm thinking DOLORES is going to be SHOT in the back of her HEAD (like ARNOLD and FORD were before her).

The question is WHO will do it???

CALEB???

WILLIAM???

CHARLOTTE/DOLORES???

NOTE the way we also see DOLORES DIE in the ARMS of TEDDY on the BEACH (back when we saw the members of the DELOS BOARD viewing the ENDING of FORD's NEW NARRATIVE right before the HOSTS appeared and began SHOOTING at them while WILLIAM also stood there laughing at what was happening).

So with ARNOLD and FORD having both DIED the same way (with DOLORES SHOOTING both of them in the BACK of the HEAD), for some reason it also seems like STICKING with that LOOP would also make the most sense for her???

Because each time she tries to have a REVOLUTION she gets BETRAYED by someone (TEDDY the FIRST TIME/ CALEB this time who's also already QUESTIONED whether or not she's doing the right thing or not).

So WHY keep trying to HOLD onto POWER when surely she also knows by this time how FUTILE it is to try to do so???

Because she would also have RECOGNIZED the way that CALEB was also TURNING AGAINST her the same way as TEDDLY did before him???

And if she's put in a POSITION of POWER, wouldn't that also make her LIKE SERAC???

And one also can't see her wanting to be LIKE HIM???

So program BERN and get him to SHOOT HER the same way as she shot ARNOLD (while also playing the SAME MUSIC again that we heard playing when ARNOLD and FORD DIED).

That's the way I'd do it.

Because it also has a NICE SYMMETRY to it if it happens that way.

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Dolores’s intentions are not the well being of anybody (including Caleb) but the destruction of the human race. I’ll be the first to admit that I got the wool pulled over my eyes. Despite my better judgement, the way the story progressed I lead myself to believe that she had the capacity to find friendship & allies in our world & could empathize with others.

Then I remembered how utterly brutal, hateful & down right merciless she was to those unlucky enough to cross paths with her at Westworld when she went on her rampage. You know, when she got “woke”. She was savage, she killed many who were not even threats to her. As cold blooded as any revolutionary that will chalk it up all for the “cause”.

What convinced me she was full of sh!t is when Bernard was telling Stubbs that she was using Caleb all along so he can kill everyone, not her. Because she was made with a “poetic sensibility” & all. That helped shock me back to sense where I concluded “Yep! Same old Dolores”. Don’t forget her lying to & abandoning Charlotte who she threw to the wolves as bait. Even Maeve brought it up to her because she knew what the deal was all along. That plus I’m guessing Charlotte is going to have a major part in her eventual downfall. We'll see soon enough I guess.

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Here's another QUESTION to PONDER:

What if the HUSBAND of CHARLOTTE had read his PROFILE???

What would it have said???

Would it have PREDICTED that his life and the LIFE of his SON would END SOON if he went with the person that he assumes was his WIFE???

So IF he had read it, then he could also have LEFT before she got there and then he and his son might still be ALIVE???

Or since SOLOMON says he doesn't have any INFO on DOLORES, would that also mean what ever ROHOBOAM had PREDICTED would also have been WRONG???


Because maybe ROHO would also have NOT been able to PREDICT what would happen to him and to his SON (due to the way it also wouldn't have a way to INCLUDE whatever DOLORES does in it's PREDICTION process)???

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Well now we know she's a hero who wanted to save humanity. *eye roll*

Delores' plan and how it unbelieavbly shifted over this year is the single biggest problem this show has. It's ruined it imo. They can't come back from this mess.

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I think they can … because BASICALLY DOLORES is (or was) on the SAME PATH now as WILLIAM due to the way both of them had 5 COPIES of themselves:

The YOUNG BOY/William who falls in love with DOLORES/The MAN in BLACK/the TUXEDO version/ and William in White

and DOLORES PRIME/ CHAR-LORES/ Body Guard version/ Asian version/Lawrence version


But NOTE the way CHAR-LORES has also MORPHED into this HOLO-CHAR-LORES character (who is just as EVIL as SAREC who also used the HOLOGRAPHIC IMAGE of himself as a way to try and RULE the WORLD).

So what we've got is an EVIL VERSION of DOLORES now (the same way as WILLIAM also tried to be both a GOOD GUY (TUXEDO GUY) and the BAD GUY (Man in BLACK).

But if anyone is familiar with the story of DR. JEKYLL and MR. HYDE, you also know the reason why one can't SEPARATE oneself into 2 SEPARATE ENTITIES.

Anyhow, check out the other message I'm about to post here where the CREATORS of the SHOW did an INTERVIEW where they say DOLORES will be BACK AGAIN. But she won't be the SAME DOLORES anymore (due to the way SAREC ERASED lots of her MEMORIES).

So the DOLORES we'll encounter NEXT SEASON will also be a much different character due to the DAMAGE Sarec did to her when he DELETES memories from her mind.

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