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What In the Hell Is Going On? SPOILERS!!!

posted 6 years ago by Jeepster (1026)
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This schizophrenic show is driving me nuts! Don't have a clue as to what's the past & what's being shown in the present. For starters, is Bernard with Elsie, the past or now? Is Bernard back at the HQ with Hale, Ashley & that other dude now or the past? Everything seems to be running together I don't know what's being shown & when.

Btw, good for Ashley! He got tired of putting up with Hale's crap & called her bluff. She finally grasped this was someone you were not going to talk down to, & I'm beyond happy Dolores made her squirm for her life. The way she went a head & spoke to her about ripping her father's brains out. She really needs a lesson in humility. Dolores took care of that real quick & Charlotte knew she meant business & started to beg.
Can someone tell me what's up with Anthony Hopkins's character of Ford? First I thought maybe he was going to be some kindly old wise sage/mentor to Bernard to atone for the past & to guide him now. Now he's gone full metal jacket & is having him kill again.

What is Ford's game? Does he want to destroy Delos? , Humanity? Does he want the hosts to rule? I'm not sure what's going on. First he comes off as a grandfatherly figure to Bernard, then he tells him he's taking away his "free will back" I'm like geez, can you pick someone else to do your dirty work?

Here I was thinking maybe he wanted to use Bernard to stop Dolores, but now that doesn't seem to be the case. So Bernard along with the enemy hosts helped slaughter everyone in the control room too. Why? I have no idea.

Guess the question of who's really superior has been answered. The Delo's commando's or the hosts? Everyone was putting down the Delo's forces for being so inferior but I guess when you're a machine you have superior targeting & shooting skills & quicker reflexes as well as greater speed & strength you have the upper hand. C'mon Dolores marched right in there & back out with her rag tag forces. They got taught a lesson for sure that I'm sure they won't soon forget.

Will Maeve been more on Dolore's side now or will she be grateful to that guy (forget his name) when he helps to repair her? This show is going off into too many tangents, I'm not sure what's happening now & what's going to happen. What do you all think about this? Would love to hear your thoughts.

[–] Tbone382001 (109) 6 years ago

I'm more lost than you, lol.

[–] papamihel (1574) 6 years ago

Bernard with Elsie is past.
Present is when all the hosts are dead.

[–] Volley (3368) 6 years ago

I would love someone to edit this show to run entirely chronologically. Flashforwards and flashbacks worked for LOST, it doesn't work for other shows, especially FEAR the Walking Dead.

Lets keep the timelines straight and simple.

[–] tonyismad (387) 6 years ago

I thought it was just me. Can someone do a timeline? LOL

[–] Geff (453) 6 years ago

The tall bald white guy is the key to understanding what occured in the past and what's in the future. This is because the bald guy only arrived in the future to take care of the problem, so you will never find him anywhere in the past.

1. Bernard in the barn during the shooting massacre by the hosts at the party (connection to Season 1)

2. Bernard and Hale escape along with a bunch of guests. Other guests die by some hosts. Bernard and Hale find an underground spot.

3. In the underground spot, Hale determines that Peter Abernathy must be recovered in order for Delos to send help. Bernard is able to locate Peter using a PDA.

4. Peter is held captive along with some guests by some Host hooligans who want to sell them to confederados.

5. Peter and Bernard are captured by confederados. Hale escapes on horseback.

6. Peter and Bernard meet Deloros at confederados fort.

7. During Delos attack on confederados fort, Peter Abernathy is captured by Hale and Delos and taken to cradle. Bernard is taken away by Clementine.

8. Clementine takes Bernard to a cave where he finds Elsie. There he also finds the secret area where Ford's brain ball was created previously.

9. It turns out that during Season 1, while Bernard was acting unconsciously, he had, by Ford's order, killed a bunch of people at that secret base and stolen Fords brain in order to place it in the Matrix world at the cradle.

10. In the hidden base, Elsie and Bernard find a hidden area where they find the clone of James Delos (old owner of Delos) and they kill him with fire.

11. Bernard and Elsie go to the cradle and Bernard gets plugged into the Martix, which is host backup data.

12. It turns out that Bernard hard brought Ford's brain ball and put it in the backup database so Ford exists in the Matrix. Bernard meets Ford. Ford explains original purpose of the park.

[–] Geff (453) 6 years ago

13. Ford's backup is moved into Bernard's brain ball and Bernard comes out of the Matrix.

14. Meanwhile Delores is attacking the cradle in order to take back her father. The host backups are destroyed. Delores probably kills her father in order to recover the data stored in him (off camera). Hale escapes with Stubbs.

15. Bernard shuts down cradle, consciously kills for the first time thanks to Ford's influence. He and Elsie decide to try to go to the valley before Delores reaches there.

16 ~ X. ?????

X. Bernard found at beach by rescue crew. They see a bunch of hosts floating in the water. Looks like this is where the hosts are trying to go throughout Season 2.

X+1. Bernard gets taken to the now destroyed cradle. He meets Hale again in the basement. Bernard is asked where Peter Abernathy is. He doesn't know.

X+2. Bernard and security guy (Stubbs) is taken to the secret area where Theresa was killed by Bernard. They discover Bernard bodies in a secret room and find out Bernard is a host.

X+3. Bernard is interrogated. Bernard tells Hayley where Peter Abernathy's control unit is located.

This is info so far upto end of Episode 7. Bernard/Delores's timeline is not explored in Episode 8.

[–] Jeepster (1026) 6 years ago

Looks like you put a lot of work into this great layout of the time events Geff. Many thanks! Much appreciated.

[–] tonyismad (387) 6 years ago

You are The MAN! (or WOMAN, as the case may be) LOL

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Definitely a man.
Although he might be a male host, it's so confusing these days.

[–] Selja26 (5) 6 years ago

Thank you, kind person!

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 6 years ago

I agree with a lot you posted here; I felt lost too, but I still continued watching until
6th or 7th when story got more interesting. One of the biggest holes in the narrative was "Delores" in the past and present, even when we find out William is actually the Man in Black, while watching Delores to be going the same conflicts since the show began and that scene when she is with Man in Black and he tells he is William was the most confusing part. If its been 30 years from young william to older, Delores was already gaining awareness when she was with young william, back at that time and we see her development but suddenly we are in the present and she is still dealing with the same struggle? ...that time line of thirty or fourty years different is where the writing really dropped the ball. For a show that is got such a high profile cast and yet it's so incoherent for these writers not wonder how can this character who is robot be doing the same thing over, yet we as the audience are only given one time line that Delores is gaining consciousness which we find out is the past but the present as well? That only tells these creators of this show didn't think this through or they writing this as the go along. They got a lot in both past and present that conflict one another.