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So the scenes with William are a...(spoiler)


Flashback? This would help me understand that William and The Man in Black are one and the same.

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yup that's the twist. All the scenes with William (billy) happened many years before the current events.

Delores never remembered William for the past 30 years.

that's what the 'twist' is.

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Look again at the scene introducing William in the second episode. It begins with a kind of blur-in that's a common convention for indicating flashbacks.

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You can see 2 clearly different Westworld logos as well in many of the scenes back at the MesaWorld. Indicating theres an older period, and that not everything happens in the present.

Interstellar - Pruit Igoe and Prophecies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS04UcDFnPk

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It won't explain why they look entirely different. Moles gone. Different mannerisms. Different speech. Different octave.
Riddle me that.

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I don't know if you noticed this, but it was a different actor who played the older William.

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I pardoned the mannerisms and octave and speech patterns as simply that 30 years had gone by. voices do indeed get old as vocal chords take abuse, his mannerisms and speech patterns? well, william became an ass who loved to kill and caused his wife's suicide. he's a different man once he gets the taste of killing and is broken from loving dolores and her not even remembering him.

'There's just a possibility that I will kiss a doorknob.'
Just call me Sleight

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I didn't have so much of a problem with the difference in appearance. First of all, I think they do look kind of vaguely similar. My biggest problem is the change in accent. Harris seems to put on a stereotypical Old West accent, which Simpson doesn't have at all. Robert De Niro didn't look much like Marlon Brando in Godfather Part II, but at least he made some effort to imitate Brando's voice from the first film.

And according to Simpson in an interview, he and Harris weren't even told they were playing the same character. They figured it out on their own, but it seems as if the showrunners didn't want them to know, perhaps fearing that if they imitated each other too closely it would give away the twist, or perhaps because it increased the chances the secret would be leaked.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/12/westworld-william-is-man-in-black-finale-interview-jimmi-simpson

The only explanation I have for the accent is that the older William is putting it on, as part of his role play while in the park. This is still problematic--it doesn't explain why his accent wouldn't slip when he loses his cool, as in the scene where Dolores stands up to him--but it's the best I can come up with.

Really, though, my greatest problem with the whole plot development isn't any of this technical stuff, but the fact that the show's explanation for the character's moral transformation isn't very convincing and seems more like something out of a comic-book origin story than something psychologically believable.

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His wife died of cancer. She did not kill herself.

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I completely agree with larosat! They should have cloned Ed Harris, and accelerated the clone's metabolism to create a 30 year old version of him, instead of hiring a different actor. Just lazy and shameful on the show runners' part.

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his mannerism changed over the course of the season, he became a leader of a huge tech company, i am sure he had coaches teaching him how to talk,
voices get deeper as you age, more gravelly , especially if you are a smoker,
in a futuristic world like westworld don't you think moles could be removed without scars,

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