the ending (spoilers)


so Sparazza is going to kill his own son (aces) to take his heart?

then the FBI are going to kill aces to give Sparazza his heart?

sure i can see the mob boss killing his own son for his heart as plausible, but not the FBI, that is retarded.

that is a stupid ass ending. and the fact that messner pulled the plug and wasted everyones lives is retarded too

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sure i can see the mob boss killing his own son for his heart as plausible, but not the FBI, that is retarded
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Why is it so "retarded"? Sparazza was the big fish, Aces was a no-body really. He couldnt provide them with anywhere near as much information as Sparazza himself can, so why wouldnt they want sparazza to live? They had already proved how far they are willing to go to do their job (unless you forgot that they tried to murder one of their own agents), so why not let this lowlife piece of filth (Aces) die if that can be used for some benefit?

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and the fact that messner pulled the plug and wasted everyones lives is retarded too
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Again, why is this so "retarded"? He was p1ssed big time! His bossess has pretty much sold him and his partner out so he was understandably angry. Killing them both as an ultimate *beep* YOU!" to the FBI and would make them suffer for what they had done.

Oh, and constantly using the word "retarded" as if its the only word you can think of is not something to be proud of. Try looking in a thesaurus once in a while and finding some alternate descriptions.

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i think you are retarded if you think the FBI is allowed to execute someone (laying in bed, completely harmless, in custody) without judge, jury or trial. =)

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hmm... FBI killing a man lying in bed helpless?

US Armed forces torturing helpless prisoners in the most inhumane ways they can think of?

oejoen, you good sir are the retard if you think this is a unrealistic

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He did what he felt was nessessary many people died trying to save one worthless person just so he could kill his son, the ending was awesome perfect for this great movie.

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I imagine the judge and jury would come soon after. Ryan Reynolds would be arrested as soon as they get inside that room. Depending on the secrets that would come out in the trial, a few people may get arrested. (but in any normal trial Reynolds would get murderx2 premeditated and go to prison for a long time).

The movie doesn't say the FBI is allowed to execute anyone. The movie is suggesting the FBI is no better than the mob... which is probably pretty accurate.

(or at least the few agents depicted in the film...)

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what do you think will happen to the guy when he has no more heart? the fbi was planning to take out his heart, you didn't think this through?

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i think you are retarded if you think the FBI is allowed to execute someone (laying in bed, completely harmless, in custody) without judge, jury or trial. =)


who says they are allowed? or sanctioned? branches like these are under the radar. people who could say no to things like (out of the "goodness" in their hearts) normally doesn't know about this. and besides, not everybody is a straight arrow. not even the good guys (as Reynold's character show). i don't even get why you think pulling the plug was an "execution". i see it as getting rid of the cause of the entire mess (that got his partner needlessly killed, among countless others). he felt betrayed by his superiors, and so he rebels and betrays them as well. letting father and son die* would make a huge blowback and would probably be an act of vengeance of sorts.



* - (instead of killing father and son; their deaths are indirect, as they died because their life-support failed, which failed because he pulled the plug as opposed to throttling them)

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ferofax i wasn't saying pulling the plug was an execution, i was saying doing the heart transplant was.

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They had the Swede that Sperazza first hired to do the transplant, presumably in custody. I think Deputy Director Locke and his men were just going to "turn a blind eye" while the Swede did what he was hired to do. And then get all the info they could out of the healthier Sperazza.

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where did I say it was "allowed"? Did I ever claim that they wouldnt be punished for what they did if it were found out? Try to stay on topic here and dont just fabricate things like a silly little school-girl

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"i think you are retarded if you think the FBI is allowed to execute someone (laying in bed, completely harmless, in custody) without judge, jury or trial. =)"

This certainly isn't the first movie where the government or government organization did something immoral, unethical, illegal, etc. in secret (usually it's the CIA). They only get punished if they get caught, but if the high ups are corrupt too who's going to punish them? The director and deputy director were in on it. If they needed to they could bury the whole thing.

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you have to understand this whole movie sucks...i can understand some people liking it on a very very basic shoot em up level, but personally i wasted 90 minutes of my life on this movie. just pure garbage in my educated opinion.

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^^^ [email protected] "educated opinion" ^^^

Wow this is a great thread. "I think this is retarded." "Well I disagree with you, you're retarded." "Well then I think you're retarded because you don't agree with me." "No, you're retarded!" "I think you're both retarded for liking the movie." "I think you're retarded because you called me retarded."

Yeah, real intelligent & mature. Then you've got kc"soon to be banned"movie guy popping in because he's still on the rag about losing 90 minutes of his precious, precious life. Someone call the whaaaaambulance! boo-hoo!

I came here to discuss the movie with other adults, not to argue with this apparent 12-and-under crowd.

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Thank you

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But, Sparazza is not really himself, but the original FBI agent Heller, right? So the heart is NOT so compatible anyway...

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It doesn't matter if he's Sparazza or Heller, Aces is still his son so the heart is absolutely compatible.

Non totus quisnam flos es lost

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Ok, there's where I'm confused, where is the real Sparazza and the real Heller?

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Sparazza was heller's undercover identity. When the FBI betrayed him (they thought he was rogue) he took on the identity permanently. So in short Heller and Sparazza are the same person. There was never a "real" Sparazza. Does that clear it up any?

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Yes.. I read on yahoo that someone else thought the exact same thing.

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