I'm not sure I understand the ending.
When Art returns to the present, he no longer remember Cody because he had
gone back in time and caused himself to get arrested and therefore not meet
her. But how does the old man, who gave him the chair, remember her?
If *he* remembers her, shouldn't also the hospital nurses where she died?
Maybe it has something to do with him throwing the chair away?
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Tony
yeah im curious about that one too
Also, when Art finds Cody the first time, it turns out he has already been to the future twice. Later on we even see him seeing himself return. When Art goes to the moment when Cody has her period the first time, he returns to the same moment a few times. He never sees himself again. That's strange!
And ofcourse it's stupid and 'just' a movie, but in the end, if Cody and Art never met, there should be no movie :-p
Oh, dee ultimate sacrifice for dee love of your life..... it helps if you have Archie Bunker's armchair disguised as a TIME MACHINE.......... "ooooooooooh, scary boys'n'girls"
OK, lets hum a few bars of "Love-Poition number nine" (yah)
oh that's so facile gshanger,
So any love story can be contrived to be trite, repetitive, and clichéd. Not this one I'm afraid, you must've been under some influence yourself to compare it to some american teen pie latest issue.
You know, it really doesn't matter where the time chair shift landed the guy, and if the toothbrush was on the left-hand or the right-hand side of the bathroom sink.
It's about him going days and nights through hoops to get his girlfriend out of a predicament.
Sigh,
Sometimes me thinks romance is a dying concept! Unless of course I'm watching South Korean cinema.
Glad to see there's some real life coming out of Vancouver, cheers from the other end of the country, Montréal!
UTP
And ohéy! Bonnie originally from Vanderhoof BC...I love you. Always have, ever since I met you on that College of New Caledonia - Prince-George to Dawson CEGEP - Montréal student exchange many years ago. AIE!, I said it.
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It's about him going days and nights through hoops to get his girlfriend out of a predicament.Yes, right on UglyToesPete. Excuss dee romantic interlude above. (((Toronto out...)))
Sigh,
Sometimes me thinks romance is a dying concept! Unless of course I'm watching South Korean cinema.
yeah, if art and cody never met, then how did the director know about them?
shareHe's not really travelling in time.
shareBeing philosophical are we, marcus-t? Interesting thought? At dee end, he doesn't remember anything. So yes, technically, "He's not really travelling in time." But, hindsight is 20/20? And, what an ending it was, eh?
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Droog #26 dee Minister of Anthropology
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Curious Omaru_SD, why do you fell this way? Because I think you're wrong!!!! FC is a great film!!!! Viddy well then...
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Droog #26 dee Minister of Anthropology
I'm not sure I understand the ending.Maybe dee chair/time machine has a secret memory chip in it, AND, maybe Harvey (old man) made the Time Machine. And following this crazy thought further, he downloads it's progress through time? Seeing what happened, and with remose, he dicides to throw it away? But then again, I have no empirical evidence to support this theory? See, by giving it to Art[/b] in dee first place was no big deal, because he knew that in dee end, [i]Art would not remember that the Time machine ever existed at all.
When Art returns to the present, he no longer remembers Cody because he had
gone back in time, and caused himself to get arrested, and therefore not meet
her. But how does the old man - who gave him the chair - remember her?
If *he* remembers her, shouldn't also the hospital nurses where she died?
Maybe it has something to do with him throwing the chair away?
Anyone else have a comment here, or need other figuring to be done????? Viddy well until then....
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Droog #26 dee Minister of Anthropology
k part of the whole thing is that you dont know if it was just a trip art had because he was high or some delusion that harvy had because he was crazy.
harvy remembers because he is crazy. or maybe he is sane and everyone else is crazy so they cant remember
Its up to you to decide
That's dee beauty of a great film!!! It's up to you to decide? Look at Kubrick's 2001: there, it's dee meaning of God type of arguement!!! Kudo's liam_mcguigan!!! Very astute of you, and congrates on just buying dee FC DVD!!! Viddy well then....
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Droog #26 dee Minister of Anthropology
Gshanger You seem to know every thing about Stanley Kubrick. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions?
Have you seen Fear and Desire? What is your honest opinion of it? Will it ever get released?
Have you read the Phantom Blupper? Does it work? it sounds a little far fetched to me.
Have you or are you really making a film about the making of Full Metal Jacket? If so can I see it?
Did Kubrick's daughter film a making off for Full Metal Jacket like the one she did for the Shining?
Do you see the Shining as a horor film? I see it as a comedy, I think Kubrick was taking the piss.
Do any deleted scenes exist for any of his films? Do you know of any for Full Metal.
Did Stanley Kubrick cheat on his wife or is this bull?
Thanks.
"I have experienced violence, but nothing has hurt me as much as being in love" SAM PECKINPAH
Gshanger!!! You seem to know everything about Stanley Kubrick. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions?1. Yes! Love it! No, never-ever!!!
1. Have you seen Fear and Desire? What is your honest opinion of it? Will it ever get released?
2. Have you read the Phantom Blooper? Does it work? It sounds a little far-fetched to me.
3. Have you, or are you really making a film about the making-of Full Metal Jacket? If so, can I see it?
4. Did Kubrick's daughter film a making-of for Full Metal Jacket, like the one she did for The Shining?
5. Do you see The Shining as a horor film? I see it as a comedy, I think Kubrick was taking the piss.
6. Do any deleted scenes exist for any of his films? Do you know of any for Full Metal?
7. Did Stanley Kubrick cheat on his wife, or is this bull?
Gustav Hasford's Vietman Trilogy3. Yes, I'm in dee research phase now. It's called, Shorty! - it's about dee life story of Gustav Hasford, who more than any other novelist, treated Kubrick with dee most disdain (Stephen King is a distant-second). Yes, you can see it...
The Short-Timers (1979) - Hasford always nicknamed his book Shorty & it became FMJ
Phantom Blooper (1990)
Exit Wounds (unpublished/possible title) - "The story involved Private Joker taking a job as a reporter in Los Angeles in the years after the war."Phantom Blooper:
"This book was actually completed before Full Metal Jacket was released in 1987, but for some reason not published by Bantam until 1990, at which time Gus put out a press release, wildy attacking his editor. An excerpt of the novel was printed in the January 1990 issue of Playboy. It is a more powerful, more personal story than The Short-Timers, in its description of life among the Viet Cong and how that affects Private Joker. If The Short-Timers details the making of an American solider, this book shows the unmaking. In Hasford's original draft, Joker's conversion was so complete that he became an active VC, going out and killing his fellow Marines. As the inside cover says, "Here is another major novel of the Viet Nam experience from one of its most startlingly able chroniclers... Joker's personal odyssey exposes a searingly honest, tragic, and brutal truth about the war that damned a generation and the betrayal that scarred us all." This was supposed to be the second volume of Gus's Viet Nam trilogy, but the final novel was never finished. The Phantom Blooper is currently out of print, but you can download the entire text right here!" -from: http://www.gustavhasford.com/phantom.html
PRESS RELEASE: http://www.gustavhasford.com/press.htm
Harvey seemed to me to be some sort of mystic or shaman. He provides the chair, after he found it and immediately recognised its true nature. He dispenses wise advice. He is part of the world but also somehow outside it. It is, unfortnately, never really made clear that I caught. There is his last scene, where he vehemently insists that he's crazy. What was all that about? I think its related.
shareThis is set up earlier in the film when Art, describing Harvey, says that the old man "remembers things other people don't remember." It makes Harvey sound crazy, but in fact it explains that Harvey has knowledge others don't.
I met the director, David Ray, at the Kansas International Film Festival. He said that Harvey takes his name from the invisible rabbit in the old Jimmy Stewart movie Harvey (1950). Like his namesake, Harvey has overcome time and space and any objections. Harvey stands outside of the timestream and remembers things that happened in the other timelines.
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So, what does his last scene mean? Why does he insist so vehemently that he's insane? I thought maybe he was trying to disuade the kid from any dangerous ideas he might have, but the kid already doesn't remember the orginal time stream anyhow.
I didn't recall the "things other people don't remember" line, but there were enough other clues (the most obvious being the plain fact that he remembers the original time stream, but plenty of others before that) that it doesn't really add anything to my understanding.
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This is set up earlier in the film when Art, describing Harvey, says that the old man "remembers things other people don't remember." It makes Harvey sound crazy, but in fact it explains that Harvey has knowledge others don't.--Kevinwohler
I met the director, David Ray, at the Kansas International Film Festival. He said that Harvey takes his name from the invisible rabbit in the old Jimmy Stewart movie Harvey (1950). Like his namesake, Harvey has overcome time and space and any objections. Harvey stands outside of the timestream and remembers things that happened in the other timelines.
Ok, here is my take on this. If you remember in the scene near the end where Art was helping Harvey throw the chair away Harvey is talking about Cody. Art does not know who he is talking about. Harvey and Art are talking about Cody and Art says something about you will like her. I think Art said something like he would have liked this girl that Harvey was talking about and Harvey says, "oh, you will." To me this implies that Art will meet her again. And the girl on the bus appeared to me to be Cody. She sure looked just like her, except with a different hairstyle.
Anyhow, my take is that you are led to believe they are now going to meet again, but will have much better lives.
I liked the movie a lot. Cody loved Art, but she also needed him. Art loved Cody, but took her for granted. In the end, his love became complete.
I keep wondering why Harvey threw the chair away. If he thought it was because it could cause problems, why didn't he destroy it?
In the garbage bin, someone else could find it.
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I keep wondering why Harvey threw the chair away. If he thought it was because it could cause problems, why didn't he destroy it?
In the garbage bin, someone else could find it.
Anyway, good movie.
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