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Anyone who denies the liberal slant is either stupid or dishonest.


Those who say there isn't a political slant to the film are either stupid or dishonest about the film.

"It's just a movie, it's to entertain, that's it" Right. That wouldn't ring as false if there wasn't a ratio of about 60 liberal films to everyone with conservative perspective. If it's even that.

What films that have anything about the Iraq war have been ones that supported the policies or showed the bravery of the troops? A couple maybe?

No, Hollywood is littered with limo liberals, who don't mind making a flop for some reason if they can be applauded by other liberals in Hollywood or Caan.

And were I a liberal, I would want to deny the liberal bias as well, because almost always these movies suck because they are intellectually dishonest, obvious, cliche ridden, and don't do all that well.

Maybe after DVD rentals, they will show a profit, but amazingly these days, even a total of $100,000,000 doesn't mean that much if there are big time stars drawing down 20 million salaries and you invest $50 million at least into advertising.


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Exactly what is liberal about this movie? Where was the criticism of the United States Military in Iraq? The subject of criticism was the fictional private military company making profit off of war, which wasn't even the real antagonist in the end. It was the senator who was going after the company.

So.. when you get off your crazy soapbox, why don't you actually watch the film or any film instead of going all Glenn Beck on us and base your opinions and theories on actual facts instead of half-truths and assumptions. It makes you sound like an idiot.

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Well, na na na, you are then an idiot. Now that we have that out of the way.

It's that they dump all over "private military company" which is obviously a hybrid of Blackwater and the evilllll Haliburton.

And then at the end, and only then do they for the sake of a cheap turn, do they ID it was the self righteous Senator.

I watched this movie, because I like Crowe, but the whole tone of it seemed pretty much like all the anti-war flicks/bombs that Hollywood has put out since combat operations started in 2003.


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Thank you for getting the Blackwater reference! This movie gave me nightmares.

"I'm with the Government and I'm here to help you." me, every d@mn day of my life

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The big corporation making money from terrorism. The big corporation making money. Period. The big corporation taking over domestic police duties, with no allegiance to anyone.

That.

You asked where's the liberal bias.

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When you say "Caan" you mean James Caan :D?
You totally overestimate the skills and political interest of script writers.
It's a pity you join the choir in this paranoid "liberal hollywood" hatred.
You should start making your own opinion instead of just trying to find a simple paradigm that makes your life easy.
In terms of script writing :
Anything that might sell well will be made and that's it.
You had the films where white guys shot natives, you had the movies about mobsters, you had the movies about cold war but really there is one thing you have to understand:
There is 3 scripts in Hollywood, and they do them over and over again, just in a slightly different way adapted to the current era.
In terms of your anti-war blabla story, well that's a sideshow that's just made to have the necessary frame that the main plot can be acted out in.
Main plot is Russel Crowe in a big conspiracy trying to find the truth, not knowing who's you friend and so on.
Actually that plot really was lacking substance if you ask me, the movie was more a one man Russel Crowe show.
The movie could also be about a woman who sales organic vegetables at the farmer's market who allegedly gets killed by the organic lobby cartel but how catchy would that be really?
The outcome really is totally opposed to what you state it were.
You actually said it right, but you're making the wrong conclusion.
And I really wonder how that could be since it's so obvious...
Despite the final plot twist is only in the last 5 minutes it does in fact turn upside down the whole conspiracy story of mercenaries being the bad guys doing anything to keep their multi billion business going.
In the end just as you say it's the one bad guy, and no conspiracy whatsoever.
So in consequence the end were really pretty disappointing one for any liberal, if you found a liberal who finds movies and their stories as important as you obviously do.

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"It's that they dump all over "private military company" which is obviously a hybrid of Blackwater and the evilllll Haliburton."

Everyone says "liberal bias." No one says "wait a minute, maybe Blackwater DOES suck." No one says "wait a minute, maybe liberals are biased (like everyone else) but since their enemies aren't perfect either, let's hear their accusations because some of them might be true."

If I made a movie about a politician letting a young woman drown at the bottom of a river after a car accident, would I be accused of a "conservative bias"? Probably by some people. Would my being conservative or playing into the hands of conservatives make the criticism (or at least asking questions about a fishy situation) any less valid? And would it somehow mean my movie isn't worthy of being seen, if I managed to make it good as a film?

Memo to the OP; 1) enjoy the entertainment and learn to take the liberal slant in stride, the same way many of us enjoy reading Tom Clancy, Stephen Coonts or Dale Brown despite the conservative slant, and 2) occasionally listen to the other side instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and humming loudly because you don't like the people talking.


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Whenever I read people whining about "liberal slants" in a movie that's about corrupt contractors, government officials, programs, torture, etc., I think to myself, "so wait, does that mean you support the stuff they're exposing?"

This was clearly a metaphor for Blackwater. The things mentioned in the movie about "PointCorp" are 100% true regarding Blackwater. They DO indeed kill whoever they want. They DO kill US soliders and undermine the military. They DID go around New Orleans after Katrina "policing" the streets. They DO get billions in funding from the US gov't. They DO have what basically amounts to their own personal mini-crusade against Muslims. Their founder, Eric Prince, is a known radical Christian and criminal. Another thing they do not mentione in the movie: child prostitution.

So, what exactly is the whining about here? That they're exposing this stuff and it stings because it's all true? Boo hoo. How about directing your venom at the actual criminals? Unless you actually support them...

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2. It is career suicide to be a Conservative in Hollywood--even if you can find a financier, you would be shunned by your peers.

The idea that being conservative in Hollywood is career suicide is a myth. Look at Clint Eastwood...John Wayne...Glenn Ford...Charlton Heston. I know what you are thinking: three of those four are dead. You are, in fact, right. So, let's continue with people who are alive who are conservative and are actively employed in Hollywood right now: Sylvester Stallone, Kelsey Grammar, Patricia Heaton, Robert Duvall, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Vince Vaughn (who, ironically, wrote and starred in the number one film at the box-office this weekend), and Jon Voight.

Granted, there are more Hollywood Democrats and they are more famous (I can't help it that, in the new millenium, the most talented thespians are also liberal), but I would hardly call conservatism in Hollywood a career killer. In response to those who will say that the aforementioned individuals must keep their political beliefs secret, a simple Google search will turn up their political beliefs, statements made by them supporting those beliefs, and, for some, entire voting records (provided by them, of course).


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Movie Reviews at www.thecinemaview.blogspot.com

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In regards to 5A: I pointed out that three out of the four actors are dead. Clint Eastwood is the fourth and therefore, as my post suggested, still alive. You must have misread my post. Anyway...

You said that being conservative was a career killer in Hollywood. You did not say that this said suicide was aimed directly at actors. But even so, just because a person is a producer does not mean that they are above everyone else in Hollywood. Vince Vaughn's Couple Retreat was not just a film by his production company, but also Universal. Had there been this so-called liberal bias, then, as you said in YOUR post, Vaugh would have been shunned by his peers. I don't see him being shunned. The same argument applies to Kelsey Grammer. he may be producing his recent show Hank, but he did not produce Fame, Swing Vote, or X-Men: The Last Stand, all films produced completely independently of himself that paid him large sums of money to star. But, I suppose, he was being shunned as well.

In regards to 5C(i), now I know that you are lying. I didn't even have to look up their political affiliations. Arnold Schwarzenegger ran (and won) for Governor of California as a conservative Republican! As for Jon Voight, here is a selection of quotes he made about the 2008 election: "[when speaking of Obama] He's really extreme, but he's always trying to say something to cover it. He's like a Leftist from the Sixties. I was on the Left, that's why I know who he is. He says he'll talk to everybody like Hamas and Iran, but it's simpleminded candy he's throwing to the extreme left wing. He'd be the biggest disaster for Israel - and all democracies - that I can think of." and "This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way." and don't forget "It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America." Robert Duvall hosted a fundraiser for Rudy Giulianni when he ran for President (as a conservative Republican!) and even had a special screening of one of his television shows at the White House with President George W. Bush.

Don't tell me that people didn't know of their political affiliation. People have always known, because they have always talked about it and yet, they are still successful and famous. If that's career suicide, then let me commit it too! There is nothing wrong with them being just as vocal about their beliefs as the liberal actors (though Voight's comments are filled with ignorance), but let's not pretend that they are hiding their political affiliations out of fear of being shunned. Everyone knows that these individuals are die hard conservatives and successful Hollywood actors.

Chris of The Cinema View
Movie Reviews at www.thecinemaview.blogspot.com

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thecinemaview, you forgot Mel Gibson as an example of a conservative in Holywood. He seems to have done rather well for himself.

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Absolutely correct. I'm sorry I didn't check the board before I rented this atrocious piece of cinematic crap, I would have never wasted my life on it. Total MSNBC propaganda *beep*

And to last poster, you're saying this was a documentary? Everything really did happen? Blackwater assassinates ppl on US soil? They regularly get their employees to kill in order to change public policy? Blackmail politicians? You sir, are simply a shill. A poor one at that.

There's a place for documentaries, and private contractors have committed many crimes and stolen billions, but when fiction masquerades as reality completely misrepresenting the truth, it is propaganda, here it is leftist anti-military, anti-conservative bilge.

The semi-final scene the hitman puts on his US Army uniform to... What? Get shot by cops and give a gay little indignant speech? Or was it the pinko producers just wanting to see a man in uniform get shot? The lefties really thought they were socking it to us supporters of the anti-islamo-terror crusade. "Your own military is insane and will kill you". There was ZERO point to the entire film besides trashing right-wing politicians, with LAME AS ALL HELL dialogue written by demagogues, trashing soldiers who decide to get paid true value for risking their lives working for contractors, and the private security system which is not entirely corrupt, though partially.

Pathetic, Hollywood, pathetic; stick to aiding child-rapists avoid punishment. Russell you have lost my respect bud.

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Ah...another thread creator who doesn't get enough ass so he has to come on IMDB to write about politics LOL ....

If these movies suck then don't watch it LOL...fken fgt

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Ah...another thread creator who doesn't get enough ass so he has to come on IMDB to write about politics LOL ....

If these movies suck then don't watch it LOL...fken fgt

Ditto. These ultra-conservative wackos are so lame and predictable. They should stop whining and moaning in every board for a movie like this one. It's getting old.


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Honestly, I thought this movie was anti-liberal and didn't even know it. Just look at the "twist" ending. It was the liberal politian that was the real "bad guy" and not the military contractor.

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