About the film


It's true that the film could have been better. But the fact that Christopher Cain was able to make it and get it on dvd's (it never made it to the movie houses) is something. The Mormon church still has not said sorry for the massacre, which was brought about, in large part, by the flaming rhetoric of Brigham Young. I doubt you'll ever see this film on television. Yes, it was "Hollywooded up" and it could have been done better, but at least the story got told about a massacre of decent people by so-called "Christians" who claim that they are the true church. Brigham Young was only sorry when he realized the consequences of these actions. The fact that only one man paid for this horrendous crime speaks volumes about this organization.

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This is a subject the LDS church would like to forget. I heard from several sources that they had objected to the film. One has to ask the question: Just what kind of "Christians" would murder women and children? Hmmm?

Brigham Young's bloodthirsty quotes can be found in "Massacre at Mountain Meadows" by William Wise.

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I mean no disrespect...but you're not serious about what kind of Christians would murder women and children, are you?

Throughout the history of Christianity, there have been so many so-called Christians who have killed women and children in seeming acts of war (religious or otherwise) or retaliation. I understand you're trying to make a point, by saying they were *not* Christians, in the very fact that they slaughtered anyone. (And why do people so often mention women and children, but never men and animals...a person who slaughters or kills as an act of violence probably shouldn't call themselves Christians--as it is not something Christ did, according to Scripture, if that's what you believe...no? And men and animals are creatures of God too.) I think that a group or person with their own agenda can kill in the name of anything, but still consider themselves as holding up the tenets of their faith. We live in a strange world.

And the person who said that 897 is a "pretty wide" release is not really correct...that's not even a 10th of the theatres in the U.S. That number most likely represents film festivals and independent-type film houses...which is why "janelafey" might've been looking out for it and not seen the release anywhere near her. Of course, like one poster mentioned, it's fairly reasonable to assume that the LDS probably didn't allow for it to be released in areas where there was a large LDS population...perhaps because the owners of those theatres might be LDS, and didn't want the Mormons shown in a bad light. Not that unusual....

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"Christians" have been killing men, women and children in the name of their religion since the time of Christ. Pretty much every sect of Christendom has done it at one time or another be it to justify a war or to purify their ranks or to eliminate the "pagans" from the planet. Frankly most religions do it, Christianity isn't alone. It makes for a great movie, wonderful dualistic conflict and all.

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""Christians" have been killing men, women and children in the name of their religion since the time of Christ. "

No they haven't, it was centuries after Christ, before the Emperor of the Roman Empire adopted Christianity and created, or advanced the Catholic denomination over all other Christians, which led to periods of confusion and corruption and violence, off and on, for centuries, before the Reformation.

If you remember, the Christians were powerless, peaceful, humble, and persecuted for the first few centuries after Christ, with Roman government came the era and issues that you mention, and don't realize that it was a corruption of the ideal that had lived with Christ and many generations, and 100s of years of his first followers.

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But the fact that Christopher Cain was able to make it and get it on dvd's (it never made it to the movie houses) is something.
No, this played in theaters. The thing about IMDb is it gives this sort of data.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0473700/business

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Well, it certainly did not play in theaters in _my_ area, because we watched for it.

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I wonder where Jane resides?

"I'll take the fifth"

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I suspect that she will not tell us out of the fear of possibly revealing that it is in a place where the film did in fact play on the big screen.

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Arizona ?

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Opening Weekend
$635,000 (USA) (26 August 2007) (857 Screens)
It would seem that you live in some remote place. 857 screens for its opening is pretty "wide."

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I loved the movie just for the fact that it was something that happened in American history. I found out about it by accident. the massacre was on 9/11, that's how I found out about the tradgedy. I have cousins who are Mormon and I remember getting into it with my aunt because I took my Mormon cousin to a Protestant church for vacation bible school.. this story was truly sad , and . and an American tragedy. Brigham Young was so cold , calculating , and callous in real life, as depicted in the movie,, the whole massacre was just really horrific to watch on screen,, you see it coming,, and you wanna shout out to the people down in the valley,, hey turn those stages around,, and go back the way you came.. the Mormons had a big time distrust of people from Missouri, the government and Christians in general,, this is probably one of the more thought provoking movies that I have seen in the last 20 years. it really makes you realize what a heinous act this was , and to this day only one person has taken the fall and the Mormons, still won't talk about it or acknowledge that it ever really happened.
are you going to bark all day little doggie,, or are you going to bite

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it really makes you realize what a heinous act this was , and to this day only one person has taken the fall and the Mormons, still won't talk about it or acknowledge that it ever really happened.
This is not really correct.
In a PBS broadcast soundbite, LDS apostle, Dallin H. Oaks, said, "I have no doubt...Mormons, including local leaders of our church, were prime movers in that terrible episode and participated in the killing. And what a terrible thing to contemplate, that the barbarity of the frontier, and the conditions of the Utah war and whatever provocations were perceived to have been given, would have led to such an extreme...atrocity perpetrated by members of my faith. I pray that the Lord will comfort those that are still bereaved by it, and I pray that he can find a way to forgive those who took such a terrible action against their fellow beings."

Expression of regret. On September 11, 2007, at the memorial ceremony for the sesquicentennial anniversary of the massacre, Henry B. Eyring, an Apostle who would join the First Presidency of the LDS Church the following month, read an official statement, saying:

"We express profound regret for the massacre carried out in this valley 150 years ago today, and for the undue and untold suffering experienced by the victims then and by their relatives to the present time. A separate expression of regret is owed the Paiute people who have unjustly borne for too long the principal blame for what occurred during the massacre. Although the extent of their involvement is disputed, it is believed they would not have participated without the direction and stimulus provided by local church leaders and members."

Eyring was careful to place responsibility with local LDS civic and religious leaders, rather than with Brigham Young. Some, including Baker-Fancher Party descendants and historian Will Bagley, did not see this as an apology. Church spokesman Mark Tuttle agreed, saying "We don't use the word 'apology.' We used 'profound regret.'

However, Richard E. Turley, managing director of the Family and Church History Department, said it was intended as an apology and the church-owned Deseret News called this message "a long-awaited apology" from the LDS Church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre_and_Mormon_publ ic_relations

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