Vast LEFT wing conspiracy - The Path to 9/11 (2006) Discussion

you realize that by thinking on your own, to the libs in this country, you aren't being a very good american

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[–] FilmTx 16 years ago

try to remember that when Clinton went after Bin Laden, Republicans claimed he was just doing it to try to avoid the Lewinsky scandal. They said it was a waste of time to go after some Arab when the nation was under "emotional distress" and "disappointment" with their leader.

At least he tried. Bush attacked the wrong country. It was nobody's fault going in... but Bush's response has been that of a petulant child. As is your post.

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[–] Bx_TrUestNYC 16 years ago

oh please! this was an inside job, stop defending these crooks we know as the bush administration. the proof is in all our faces. this country's government sucks. you really believe this was all bin laden. i believe he had something to do with it, but the bush administration were the master mind's behind all of this. BUSH SUCKS!!! we need a new president.

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[–] FilmTx 16 years ago

I think the inside job people are republicans set out to make democrats look stupid. We don't stand by that *beep* We're the ones that actually remember it was a group of terrorists (and not Iraq)

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[–] medic249a2 16 years ago

I am no supporter of Bush, but....you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! What proof do you refer to? You don't cite any in your post. I hate most of the Republican Party and Bush but it is no longer the majority in either the House or Senate. Your claim about Bush & the administration being the masterminds is so ridiculous it's laughable.

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[–] brscth74 16 years ago

Actually we cried foul when he bombed an empty factory in Iraq killing a janitor when he was in trouble with Lewinsky. He was offered OBL in 1996 by the Sudanese but he did not take him. And yes it did happen, ol slick willie is on tape admitting that they offered OBL to him.

Clinton did absolutely nothing to defend this country, anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial or should be wearing a helmet when leaving the house.

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[–] freyw 16 years ago

Yes, and you (including Trent Lott) also cried foul when Clinton ordered the bombing of Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, missing bin Laden, but also killing 20 suspected terrorists and probably delaying 9/11.

Targets of Operation Desert Fox (the 1998 bombing of Iraq) included (according to the Dept. of Defense) 27 surface-to-air missile sites, 18 command and control facilities, 19 sites housing security details for Hussein's weapons of mass destruction program, 11 weapons of mass destruction industrial and production facilities, eight Republican Guard facilities, and five airfields.
Most of them were at least significantly damaged, putting a serious crimp in Hussein's operations.

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[–] ramsrule2000 16 years ago

Clinton was offered OBL 3 times and 3 times he turned down the offer.

Getting a BJ from a Fat Intern trumped National Security.

THAT is your Legacy Bill.

"Bill Jerked, AQ's plan worked"

Gotta love the "Inside Job" crackpots.

There are so many holes in their theories and a lack of logic, not to mention it would have taken hundreds of people to set it up.

Hell, a Fat Intern blowing a President couldn't be kept a secret, yet the 9-11 nutjobs think hundreds or even thousands of people could all keep something like this a secret.

These people truly are mentally deranged and I actually fear for them.

They are so consumed with hate of Bush that they have convinced themselves that the US Government orchestrated 9-11

Like I said, mentally deranged.

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[–] TheMuffinMan13 16 years ago

And tell me, what is Dubya doing about OBL?

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[–] tobyboby 16 years ago

Um, looking for him?

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[–] spook248-1 16 years ago

Maflores-1 Whats Bush doing about Bin Laden? Are you serious? Oh why doesn't he broadcast a complete thesis on exactly what they are doing, where the under cover special forces and secret service are, how close they are to nabbing him and when they finally do get a confirmed intelligence report pinpointing his exact location... lets broadcast it on the 6 oclock news followed by when we are actually going to go in and get him, and lets also broadcast a picture of any informant(s) who helped us who wish to claim the ransom.

You idiot.

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[–] brscth74 16 years ago

He is actively looking for him. OBL is hiding in a cave and is not making an operational decisions. What did Bill do? Oh yeah that's right he got some head.

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[–] williamhastings2007 15 years ago

Yeah, that's why they attacked on Bill Clinton's watch. It happened in 2001! Don't they have calendars in the airport men's room?

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[–] brscth74 15 years ago

You may want to add up the attacks which took place in the 90's and in 2000 before you make such a ridiculous statement.

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[–] martykel 15 years ago

Uh, Clinton never "went after" Bin Laden - except maybe in a liberal, history-revised textbook. Sudan offered up Bin Laden twice, and the Clinton administration refused. Furthermore, it was the bombing of Baghdad on the eve of the impeachment vote that caused most Americans to believe Slick Willie was trying to distract from the Lewinsky scandal. No matter how much you lie, you can't change history.

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[–] rexdale 16 years ago

You said it, the issue is really we shouldn't be looking to lay blame but to prevent future incidents. If Bush threatened to sue or shut down a program every time he did not agree with the way his admin. is being portrayed there wouldn't be any programming left on TV and he would be called a fascist as well.... It is outrageous that Clinton took exception to The Path to 9/1l big deal he got a blo*w j*b who cares?. I beleive the director David Cunningham is a true patriot and American if you have a chance watch this progam and show your friends.....
God Bless USA

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[–] samsan_lee 16 years ago

1) 9-11 was planned and executed by Bin Laden with direct assistance from elements of the Pakistani government.

2) No fewer than 9, some say 11, governments warned the US at the highest levels. I believe that Dick Cheney saw this as a gift of heaven, and organized the 9-11 exercises so as to have complete operational control of the U.S. government, and he "let it happen."

3) I believe that Larry Silverstein, new owner of the World Trade Center, NOT the U.S. Government, was briefed on this by the Mossad, and saw an opportunity to solve his asbestos problem at taxpayer expense. I believe that Larry Silverstein, in partnership with the security firm managed by a Bush family member, installed the controlled demolitions and "pulled" all three buildings, murdering the people in them, in order to clear the area for rebuilding and get the $7 billion in insurance money. I believe that he paid Rudy Gulliani as much as a billion to "scoop and dump" the crime scene into oblivion, and I believe that the insurance company executives are in cahoots with Silversten and got major kick-backs, because there is no way a serious insurance company investigation could have ignored the evidence of thermite being briefed to the Senate this very week.

4) Finally, I do think there is evidence of CIA and FBI blundering about and aiding "assets" who participated in the first World Trade Center car bombing, but it is very important to distinguish between bureaucratic incompetence; Dick Cheney's deliberate decision to let it happen; and Larry Silverstein's alleged dmurder of all those people including firefighters.

This has NOT been properly investigated, and it needs to be."

wake up. Clinton was asleep at the wheel - tried to bomb Bin Laden's camp and shouldve gotten to him when he was in Sudan (1995), but Bush had this planned a year prior as a pretext to the Afghanistan pipeline.

Politicians such as Commission member Max Cleland resigned, condemning the entire exercise as a "scam" and "whitewash".
it isnt a partisan issue, at all. The Dems were just trying to cover themselves, like all politicians do.

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[–] tanmar3733 16 years ago

Accuracy - only from a revisionist point of view.

I notice the movie does not include a single scene about the republicans obsession during the period in question of attempting to impeach Clinton for getting a blow job, the media's obsession witn a stain.

I wonder what is more important, a blow job or spying on the american people, indefinite imprisonment without trial or due process, torture of suspects and starting a war to elimate WMD stockpiles that didn't exist and everyone with a brain knew weren't there - and said so.

Impeachent for those crimes, perverting the course of justice, illegal spying on the american public .... perish the thought.

Mind you, according to Bush - Bin laden isn't really that important. Except apparently in the case of his own family's business connections, so thats alright then

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[–] talkinhorse 16 years ago

I notice the movie does not include a single scene about the republicans obsession during the period in question of attempting to impeach Clinton for getting a blow job, the media's obsession witn a stain.

It's interesting that you should say that. The fact is that the original version of "Path to 9/11" did indeed include more information about the impeachment. The production team was of this opinion that this gave Clinton something of an excuse, in that his focus was pulled away from the international threat by domestic political attacks. However, those scenes were among the segments that the Clintons demanded be cut from the production, and so they were. That's why you didn't see them. You can actually see the deleted scenes and hear the detailed history of their censorship in the recent "Blocking the Path" documentary (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1305546/, http://www.blockingthepath.com/). (Agenda note: Although "Path to 9/11" was NOT a product of the vast right-wing conspiracy and in fact had something of a centrist/liberal pedigree, "Blocking the Path" was put together by John Ziegler, who is conservative.)

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[–] robicheux 16 years ago

... wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a pile of crap.

Surely it's being suppressed by nasty forces of evil* while desperate distribution companies are standing in line for the rights to this money machine of artistic integrity and enlightenment. From what I've read here**, it's like a documentary filled with facts based on truth.

* Satan? I'm just saying.
** One poster keeps popping up to inform us there are actual books to support the claims here, and that he has read them. Not too shabby.

Do do that voodoo that you do so well

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[–] dvonder100-1 15 years ago

and we must be aware of the fact that it was the bushn admin who ignored warnings. did they 'stage it' no, but were they warned. yes. they should be held accountable for that that and the lies that dragged us into iraq. they saw a chance to make money and they did

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[–] DNasty99 15 years ago

This is true. I think it is madness for anyone think that the Bush administration staged 9/11.

But they did receive several warnings about an upcoming attack and ignored them. Dick Clark pointed this out. It is a big black eye for the Bush administration.

There is a difference between Clinton failing to get Bin Laden, and simply chosing to ignore immediate warnings about an upcoming attack, which is what Bush Jr did.

Consider that the Bush regime can into power and basically ignored warnings from Dick Clark, and others who remained from Clinton's presidency, that Bin Laden was a serious threat to the security of the American public.

Then after the attack they still managed to misdirect the majority of military resources to Iraq. What a *beep*

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[–] entergynso 14 years ago

You're leaving out the fact that Clintons administration had ample warnings for the embassy attacks and the Cole bombing, yet did nothing. Both Presidents, and at least the three before them, failed at respecting the threat posed by these extremists. I have every reason to hate Bush, which I do... but that doesn't mean that somehow he's more to blame than anyone else. If you think our new President is heeding all warnings, and making our country and the world better, then it's obvious what the problem truly is with our country... it's US, the American people who buy into the pretend differences between Democrat and Republican... Liberals and Conservatives. It's tough knowing that I've seen some of my friends die for what our country has become... weak!

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[–] entergynso 14 years ago

I find two things quite interesting.

1) ... and this is the most important one... almost everyone thinks if you can't stand Obama, then you must be a Bush fan. It's funny that people think there is any real difference.

2) People type their feelings about this, which is fine, but to portray them as facts is just moronic.

I currently work in the intel community, and I have spent over 10 years in the armed forces, many of which were with Special Operations Groups in multiple countries. The facts are out there, and they are quite easy to get at... as long as you don't mind opening your eyes and quit thinking there are actual "sides" to this.

Yes, Clinton was offered Bin Laden in the mid and late 90's... however, since Bin Laden hadn't acted even once against the US, we had no legal authority to even detain him. We offered to broker the deal between Sudan and both the Saudi and Egyptian governments, who both had a right to arrest him due to his actions against their countries... they refused.

Clintons BJ DID lower his political power, which kept him from acting prudently against Bin Laden and AQ after the African embassy bombings and the Cole. Bush failed to take seriously the threats, but so had all other Presidents up to that point. It was at the very end of his second term that Clinton finally began to realize the seriousness of the threat... he was unable to portray the importance to Bush.

As far as who's fault it really is, it is the terrorists fault. Trying to blame Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, etc., is the same as accepting a rapists claim that "She was asking for it".

I have a feeling that this discussion will continue... please, do some research before posting.

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